On the bright side, I don't really like Carmelo to begin with, so him potentially going to LA wouldn't be such a problem.
Carmelo Anthony Traded To New York
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On the bright side, I don't really like Carmelo to begin with, so him potentially going to LA wouldn't be such a problem. -
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There contracts have a big difference. Bynum only has one more guaranteed year left. The next year is a team option. That is a big difference. If Bynum gets hurt again or doesn't do it for them then they can let him go. Deng is on the books for three more years.Comment
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Melo's a Baltimore dude people.#RespectTheCultureComment
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I don't want this happening for 1 reason and 1 reason only, and that's that I don't want Kobe getting gift-wrapped another ring so the uninformed can start up the "Kobe over Jordan" bull****.
Other than that, it is what it is. The Lakers are a well-run team, so I'm not going to hate on them for having the assets to make moves like this. Yes, it is annoying as all hell that it's always the Lakers and their fair-weather fans (not all of them, but most) getting things to go their way and never having to deal with the tough times like most teams have to at some point, but really I don't know why anyone would be surprised. I know I'm not. At this point I'm used to the Lakers getting every little thing go their way.
Also, I'm not going to "boycott the NBA if this happens".Get out of here with that mess. I'm sure a lot of you were saying that during the Donaghy situation, but you're still here, and I'm sure a lot of you also said it when Mr. James took his talents to South Beach, but you're still here.
But enough about that, it's taking this off topic. I just don't wanna see that happen and hope it's only talk.Comment
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I still say the Bulls can offer a better package than the Lakers. Like someone said, Bynum is an injury risk. And if he's going to be 'The Guy' you build around then I don't see why you would take that chance on someone who has problems getting on the court.
Now you look at the Bulls who can offer you Deng and Taj Gibson. Yeah, Deng will never be a franchise player. Neither is Gibson. BUT they are both serviceable players who'll play. And yeah, Deng's contract is not that great BUT Bynum's contract is not that far off from Deng's. Both players are overpaid and if I'm going to overpay for someone, it might as well be someone who's going to play instead of sitting on the sideline due to an injury. And for Bynum to have all these injury problems at 23 years old is a tell-tell sign.
I can't see the Nuggets doing this Laker deal. If I was the Nuggets, I'd rather take the proposed Knicks deal.
Gibson is a nice piece who is a borderline starter, but meh. Compared to Andrew there is no comparison. The injury questions are huge for Andrew, but if you're going to part with a guy like Melo, you aim high.
I do love Andrew though as much as LA fans hate him.Comment
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I don't agree with ya D, I just don't see how they would opt for Deng/Gibson over Andrew and maybe another Laker. Deng is a nobody in terms of rebuilding, and his contract is awful.
Gibson is a nice piece who is a borderline starter, but meh. Compared to Andrew there is no comparison. The injury questions are huge for Andrew, but if you're going to part with a guy like Melo, you aim high.
Pretty much. But if you're LA, you feel really compelled to pull the trigger because of Andrew's knees. They're just too big a liability as hard as it is to find skilled big men these days.
I do love Andrew though as much as LA fans hate him.Comment
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No I didn't answer it lol. You shoot for Andrew's potential over Deng/Gibson.
When you're rebuilding you go with Andrew over Gibson. I'm not even going to mention Deng because like I said, he's worthless to a rebuilding team.
As far as Andrew being 30 or whatever, yeah that's a risk I'll take if I'm Denver. Gibson's ceiling just doesn't excite me at all in comparison to Bynym's. Also Andrew's contract is structured as such that if he gets hurt again, they have a team option to waive him the year after.
You don't take a role player over a potential All-Star.Comment
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I mean really. I could understand people being skeptical about the Heat, they had no depth, an unproven coach, and terrible big men.
LA would still have their title team intact, and would also keep their elite depth. They would have talent/defense/offense at every position.
You need to rebound and defend the paint to win a title and LA is taking a major hit in that area if they send Bynum packing.
Gasol at center with the rest of that front court and your team isn't winning anything. Get that small ball Phoenix/New York stuff out of here. That team now matches up less favorably with Miami (since they're giving away one of their biggest advantages in size/rebounding/interior D) and would get their tails kicked inside against Boston or San Antonio.
We saw how badly LA was manhandled up front in the 08 Finals without Bynum. We saw how Perkins missing Game 7 last June cost the Celtics the title. You NEED these players to win titles. Pau on his own isn't cutting it, he winds up in Duhwight's situation.
Bigs aren't what they were in the 80's and 90's in terms of centerpieces but they are still a much more important piece to a title team than many realize. I know he's injury-prone and only a role player but I do not give up Bynum for Melo unless you're thinking long term and willing to sacrifice a bit in the present (which I would understand - trying to build around Pau/Melo over next 5-6 years). You do not win a title now if you flip-flop Melo and Bynum, I don't care what anybody says. You won't convince me.
Melo and Kobe would coexist fine (at least while Phil is still around), the defense and rebounding though - meh."You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier
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^^Totally agree^^
I think I'm done with the Melo drama... Call me when we get sometime official.Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
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This is pretty much the same recycled rant I always use on OS when discussing title contenders, potential moves, etc.....
You need to rebound and defend the paint to win a title and LA is taking a major hit in that area if they send Bynum packing.
Gasol at center with the rest of that front court and your team isn't winning anything. Get that small ball Phoenix/New York stuff out of here. That team now matches up less favorably with Miami (since they're giving away one of their biggest advantages in size/rebounding/interior D) and would get their tails kicked inside against Boston or San Antonio.
We saw how badly LA was manhandled up front in the 08 Finals without Bynum. We saw how Perkins missing Game 7 last June cost the Celtics the title. You NEED these players to win titles. Pau on his own isn't cutting it, he winds up in Duhwight's situation.
Bigs aren't what they were in the 80's and 90's in terms of centerpieces but they are still a much more important piece to a title team than many realize. I know he's injury-prone and only a role player but I do not give up Bynum for Melo unless you're thinking long term and willing to sacrifice a bit in the present (which I would understand - trying to build around Pau/Melo over next 5-6 years). You do not win a title now if you flip-flop Melo and Bynum, I don't care what anybody says. You won't convince me.
Melo and Kobe would coexist fine (at least while Phil is still around), the defense and rebounding though - meh.
What about last year where Andrew was limited to 24 mpg in the playoffs?
I understand where you're coming from and in 99/100 cases I'd agree with you.
But as a Laker fan, give me Melo over Bynum's questionable knees.
If I'm a Denver fan give me Bynum over any trash NY or Chicago can offer.Comment
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No I didn't answer it lol. You shoot for Andrew's potential over Deng/Gibson.
When you're rebuilding you go with Andrew over Gibson. I'm not even going to mention Deng because like I said, he's worthless to a rebuilding team.
As far as Andrew being 30 or whatever, yeah that's a risk I'll take if I'm Denver. Gibson's ceiling just doesn't excite me at all in comparison to Bynym's. Also Andrew's contract is structured as such that if he gets hurt again, they have a team option to waive him the year after.
You don't take a role player over a potential All-Star.
BUT Bynum is not Yao so you can throw that out.
It seems like we agree to disagree on potential vs reliability. BUT I just feel that your really under-valuing Gibson and Deng's worth. NOW, neither will probably never be franchise guys. BUT I do think that they are serviceable players. Deng can be a solid number 3 option for a good team. And I think Gibson could be a starting PF for a good NBA team.I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm XComment
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You can't make an all-star team if your not playing...well, unless your Yao Ming.
BUT Bynum is not Yao so you can throw that out.
It seems like we agree to disagree on potential vs reliability. BUT I just feel that your really under-valuing Gibson and Deng's worth. NOW, neither will probably never be franchise guys. BUT I do think that they are serviceable players. Deng can be a solid number 3 option for a good team. And I think Gibson could be a starting PF for a good NBA team.
If I'm Denver, I don't go for Gibson I go for Andrew. Simply more appetizing.
Once again, Andrew's contract is a team option for the year after next. Denver can part ways if need be.Comment
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It will probably happen. Bynum for Melo would be straight robbery. Most overrated big man in recent memory for a superstar.Comment
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