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  • TheMatrix31
    RF
    • Jul 2002
    • 52927

    #1576
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

    On the bright side, I don't really like Carmelo to begin with, so him potentially going to LA wouldn't be such a problem.

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    • PrettyT11
      MVP
      • Jul 2008
      • 3220

      #1577
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

      Originally posted by Dice
      And yeah, Deng's contract is not that great BUT Bynum's contract is not that far off from Deng's.
      There contracts have a big difference. Bynum only has one more guaranteed year left. The next year is a team option. That is a big difference. If Bynum gets hurt again or doesn't do it for them then they can let him go. Deng is on the books for three more years.

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      • ProfessaPackMan
        Bamma
        • Mar 2008
        • 63852

        #1578
        Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

        Melo's a Baltimore dude people.
        #RespectTheCulture

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        • King_B_Mack
          All Star
          • Jan 2009
          • 24450

          #1579
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

          Originally posted by BlueNGold
          I don't want this happening for 1 reason and 1 reason only, and that's that I don't want Kobe getting gift-wrapped another ring so the uninformed can start up the "Kobe over Jordan" bull****.

          Other than that, it is what it is. The Lakers are a well-run team, so I'm not going to hate on them for having the assets to make moves like this. Yes, it is annoying as all hell that it's always the Lakers and their fair-weather fans (not all of them, but most) getting things to go their way and never having to deal with the tough times like most teams have to at some point, but really I don't know why anyone would be surprised. I know I'm not. At this point I'm used to the Lakers getting every little thing go their way.

          Also, I'm not going to "boycott the NBA if this happens". Get out of here with that mess. I'm sure a lot of you were saying that during the Donaghy situation, but you're still here, and I'm sure a lot of you also said it when Mr. James took his talents to South Beach, but you're still here.
          Nope never thought about stopping watching during the Donaghy crap cause I already knew what was up with NBA refs. Thought about it after the LeBron crap, but was ready to ride with what the Bulls did in the end. This however, this bugs me mostly because I deal with too many fake *** Laker fans on a daily basis. The **** would be fine if I lived in LA or somewhere on the west coast, but I live in Chicago and am surrounded by "Laker fans." Keep in mind these are the same clowns that buy every pair of Jordans and grew up with Bulls posters and clothes and 'Bulls all day' trash talk for throughout our lifetimes. That's not even touching my family who are somehow 'Laker fans' despite never setting foot in LA in they're lives that talk **** as if they're straight out of Hollywood.

          But enough about that, it's taking this off topic. I just don't wanna see that happen and hope it's only talk.

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          • ex carrabba fan
            I'll thank him for you
            • Oct 2004
            • 32744

            #1580
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

            Originally posted by Dice
            I still say the Bulls can offer a better package than the Lakers. Like someone said, Bynum is an injury risk. And if he's going to be 'The Guy' you build around then I don't see why you would take that chance on someone who has problems getting on the court.

            Now you look at the Bulls who can offer you Deng and Taj Gibson. Yeah, Deng will never be a franchise player. Neither is Gibson. BUT they are both serviceable players who'll play. And yeah, Deng's contract is not that great BUT Bynum's contract is not that far off from Deng's. Both players are overpaid and if I'm going to overpay for someone, it might as well be someone who's going to play instead of sitting on the sideline due to an injury. And for Bynum to have all these injury problems at 23 years old is a tell-tell sign.

            I can't see the Nuggets doing this Laker deal. If I was the Nuggets, I'd rather take the proposed Knicks deal.
            I don't agree with ya D, I just don't see how they would opt for Deng/Gibson over Andrew and maybe another Laker. Deng is a nobody in terms of rebuilding, and his contract is awful.

            Gibson is a nice piece who is a borderline starter, but meh. Compared to Andrew there is no comparison. The injury questions are huge for Andrew, but if you're going to part with a guy like Melo, you aim high.
            Originally posted by jeebs9
            The only reason I don't like the trade. Is because they would lose a lot of defense. And then they would have to have Artest come off the bench. No big man to protect the rim.
            Pretty much. But if you're LA, you feel really compelled to pull the trigger because of Andrew's knees. They're just too big a liability as hard as it is to find skilled big men these days.

            I do love Andrew though as much as LA fans hate him.

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            • King_B_Mack
              All Star
              • Jan 2009
              • 24450

              #1581
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
              I don't agree with ya D, I just don't see how they would opt for Deng/Gibson over Andrew and maybe another Laker. Deng is a nobody in terms of rebuilding, and his contract is awful.

              Gibson is a nice piece who is a borderline starter, but meh. Compared to Andrew there is no comparison. The injury questions are huge for Andrew, but if you're going to part with a guy like Melo, you aim high.

              Pretty much. But if you're LA, you feel really compelled to pull the trigger because of Andrew's knees. They're just too big a liability as hard as it is to find skilled big men these days.

              I do love Andrew though as much as LA fans hate him.
              You answered your own question there dude. Bynum and another Laker is a worse deal than Deng/Gibson because the other Laker you're going to get is likely older than 30 as opposed to getting two quality players who are both 25 or younger and still haven't reached they're full potential. Meanwhile with the Lakers you do get a 23 year old Bynum who's knees aren't worth a crap and a player that's 30+ or right around 30. Sure Deng's contract sucks, but who's really going to Denver with no Melo for cap space to matter?

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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #1582
                Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                No I didn't answer it lol. You shoot for Andrew's potential over Deng/Gibson.

                When you're rebuilding you go with Andrew over Gibson. I'm not even going to mention Deng because like I said, he's worthless to a rebuilding team.

                As far as Andrew being 30 or whatever, yeah that's a risk I'll take if I'm Denver. Gibson's ceiling just doesn't excite me at all in comparison to Bynym's. Also Andrew's contract is structured as such that if he gets hurt again, they have a team option to waive him the year after.

                You don't take a role player over a potential All-Star.

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                • ehh
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 28962

                  #1583
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                  Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                  I mean really. I could understand people being skeptical about the Heat, they had no depth, an unproven coach, and terrible big men.

                  LA would still have their title team intact, and would also keep their elite depth. They would have talent/defense/offense at every position.
                  This is pretty much the same recycled rant I always use on OS when discussing title contenders, potential moves, etc.....

                  You need to rebound and defend the paint to win a title and LA is taking a major hit in that area if they send Bynum packing.

                  Gasol at center with the rest of that front court and your team isn't winning anything. Get that small ball Phoenix/New York stuff out of here. That team now matches up less favorably with Miami (since they're giving away one of their biggest advantages in size/rebounding/interior D) and would get their tails kicked inside against Boston or San Antonio.

                  We saw how badly LA was manhandled up front in the 08 Finals without Bynum. We saw how Perkins missing Game 7 last June cost the Celtics the title. You NEED these players to win titles. Pau on his own isn't cutting it, he winds up in Duhwight's situation.

                  Bigs aren't what they were in the 80's and 90's in terms of centerpieces but they are still a much more important piece to a title team than many realize. I know he's injury-prone and only a role player but I do not give up Bynum for Melo unless you're thinking long term and willing to sacrifice a bit in the present (which I would understand - trying to build around Pau/Melo over next 5-6 years). You do not win a title now if you flip-flop Melo and Bynum, I don't care what anybody says. You won't convince me.

                  Melo and Kobe would coexist fine (at least while Phil is still around), the defense and rebounding though - meh.
                  "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                  "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                  • jeebs9
                    Fear is the Unknown
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 47568

                    #1584
                    Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                    Ex

                    ^^Totally agree^^

                    I think I'm done with the Melo drama... Call me when we get sometime official.
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                    • BATMON
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 1445

                      #1585
                      Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                      Lakers and Chicago arent in this. Stop taking the bait.

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                      • ex carrabba fan
                        I'll thank him for you
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #1586
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                        Originally posted by ehh
                        This is pretty much the same recycled rant I always use on OS when discussing title contenders, potential moves, etc.....

                        You need to rebound and defend the paint to win a title and LA is taking a major hit in that area if they send Bynum packing.

                        Gasol at center with the rest of that front court and your team isn't winning anything. Get that small ball Phoenix/New York stuff out of here. That team now matches up less favorably with Miami (since they're giving away one of their biggest advantages in size/rebounding/interior D) and would get their tails kicked inside against Boston or San Antonio.

                        We saw how badly LA was manhandled up front in the 08 Finals without Bynum. We saw how Perkins missing Game 7 last June cost the Celtics the title. You NEED these players to win titles. Pau on his own isn't cutting it, he winds up in Duhwight's situation.

                        Bigs aren't what they were in the 80's and 90's in terms of centerpieces but they are still a much more important piece to a title team than many realize. I know he's injury-prone and only a role player but I do not give up Bynum for Melo unless you're thinking long term and willing to sacrifice a bit in the present (which I would understand - trying to build around Pau/Melo over next 5-6 years). You do not win a title now if you flip-flop Melo and Bynum, I don't care what anybody says. You won't convince me.

                        Melo and Kobe would coexist fine (at least while Phil is still around), the defense and rebounding though - meh.
                        What about 2008-2009?

                        What about last year where Andrew was limited to 24 mpg in the playoffs?

                        I understand where you're coming from and in 99/100 cases I'd agree with you.

                        But as a Laker fan, give me Melo over Bynum's questionable knees.

                        If I'm a Denver fan give me Bynum over any trash NY or Chicago can offer.

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                        • Dice
                          Sitting by the door
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6627

                          #1587
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          No I didn't answer it lol. You shoot for Andrew's potential over Deng/Gibson.

                          When you're rebuilding you go with Andrew over Gibson. I'm not even going to mention Deng because like I said, he's worthless to a rebuilding team.

                          As far as Andrew being 30 or whatever, yeah that's a risk I'll take if I'm Denver. Gibson's ceiling just doesn't excite me at all in comparison to Bynym's. Also Andrew's contract is structured as such that if he gets hurt again, they have a team option to waive him the year after.

                          You don't take a role player over a potential All-Star.
                          You can't make an all-star team if your not playing...well, unless your Yao Ming.

                          BUT Bynum is not Yao so you can throw that out.

                          It seems like we agree to disagree on potential vs reliability. BUT I just feel that your really under-valuing Gibson and Deng's worth. NOW, neither will probably never be franchise guys. BUT I do think that they are serviceable players. Deng can be a solid number 3 option for a good team. And I think Gibson could be a starting PF for a good NBA team.
                          I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #1588
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                            Originally posted by Dice
                            You can't make an all-star team if your not playing...well, unless your Yao Ming.

                            BUT Bynum is not Yao so you can throw that out.

                            It seems like we agree to disagree on potential vs reliability. BUT I just feel that your really under-valuing Gibson and Deng's worth. NOW, neither will probably never be franchise guys. BUT I do think that they are serviceable players. Deng can be a solid number 3 option for a good team. And I think Gibson could be a starting PF for a good NBA team.
                            I love Gibson but Andrew is simply a better player pound for pound.

                            If I'm Denver, I don't go for Gibson I go for Andrew. Simply more appetizing.

                            Once again, Andrew's contract is a team option for the year after next. Denver can part ways if need be.

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                            • LingeringRegime
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 17089

                              #1589
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                              It will probably happen. Bynum for Melo would be straight robbery. Most overrated big man in recent memory for a superstar.

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                              • Xs and Os
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 150

                                #1590
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                                A first rounder from Minny would be pretty valuable.

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