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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #1711
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

    Mosgov is still too raw IMO to be that guy in the next two yearse. They need someone who's ready now.

    Not sure who that could be... but they need Melo and a big man to take the next step. Oh and they also have to not trade anyone to get Melo.. lol.

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    • PrettyT11
      MVP
      • Jul 2008
      • 3220

      #1712
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

      I don't think that blog is foolish. Aside from the hoping to sign said players in 2012 he makes some valid points. I agree with Ex and pretty much everybody else who says NY would be better with Melo on the roster but even with Melo I don't see the Knicks as a real championship threat anyway. Just like the article said until they learn how to at least look decent of defense they won't be a championship team. They will be just like D'Antoni's Suns teams. Fun to watch with a good amount of regular season wins but lose in the playoffs to teams that actually play defense.

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      • NYJets
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jul 2002
        • 18637

        #1713
        Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

        Originally posted by mrjordan

        It is crazy how so many people just look at ppg to know how good a team is offensively and defensively. Knicks are not the best offensive team, and they are not the worst defensive team. They play at a fast pace. Defense needs a lot of work, but the offense is not championship level either. Nights where 3's are falling, we look good on offense. If not though, the Knicks become a one man show. So this idea that we don't need more offense is just wrong, we need another star. Melo is not the ideal star to pair next to Amare imo, but you can't wait forever. He wants to be here, and we could get him now, or in the offseason, not after 2012 when we have no idea who will still be available, who will want to play here, and what the cap will be like. Not throwing away 2 more years waiting for a prayer, when we have Amare in his prime.

        Also, people need to stop comparing this team to the 70's Knicks, or the 90's Knicks. Those teams having nothing to do with this team.
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        • ex carrabba fan
          I'll thank him for you
          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #1714
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

          I have to say IMO those Suns team were awfully close to getting at least to the Finals.

          A proposed Felton/Gallo/Melo/Amare/center + Fields/Douglas/Turiaf/maybe Chandler isn't too far off what PHX had offensive potency wise. And the major difference between PHX and NY is that free agents will actually want to go to NY and NY is willing to pay.

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          • ex carrabba fan
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            • Oct 2004
            • 32744

            #1715
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

            All I can say is, in the playoffs you're going to need a star 1-2 punch.

            I just think it's foolish to cross your fingers that CP3 or Howard will sign and not grab Melo when he's available. As much as I love both CP3 and Howard, well there would still be lingering question marks as well if you added one of them instead of Melo.

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            • PrettyT11
              MVP
              • Jul 2008
              • 3220

              #1716
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
              I have to say IMO those Suns team were awfully close to getting at least to the Finals.

              A proposed Felton/Gallo/Melo/Amare/center + Fields/Douglas/Turiaf/maybe Chandler isn't too far off what PHX had offensive potency wise. And the major difference between PHX and NY is that free agents will actually want to go to NY and NY is willing to pay.
              It wasn't a direct comparison between the two I was just stating some similarities. I actually believe those Suns teams might be better than the maybe Knicks team. They wasn't as bad defensively as this or the new look Knicks team with Melo. There isn't anybody on the Knicks even remotely close to the level of Marion and Bell on defense. In fact I would take those Suns over the Knicks with Melo.

              With Amare and Melo taking up all that money here won't be much money for free agents. They will have to work with the MLE(if it is still around after the CBA) and league minimum players. Plus again I believe guys will be quicker to sign on with Miami than the Knicks when they money is the same. I know I would rather play with LeBron,Wade and Bosh than Melo,Stat, and unknown players. For all the problems the Heat have they are alot closer to a ring than the Knicks are even with Melo.

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              • Giants4Natic
                Banned
                • Oct 2010
                • 2475

                #1717
                Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                The article is foolish because ppg and stats are not the biggest telling point of the impact Melo would have with the knicks.

                Have you seen the Knicks when Stat is on the bench. They flat out stink and when one is out of the game we can still have a stud scorer on the floor to not lose momentum.

                Teams would not be able to double STAT down low all day. The threat of Melo is underestimated around here at times

                Nobody on the Knicks will sniff an All Star besides Stat in the next 5 seasons I believe.

                You have Melo and STAT and you have a top 4 team in the EAST for the next 5 seasons.

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                • ex carrabba fan
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                  • Oct 2004
                  • 32744

                  #1718
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                  Originally posted by PrettyT11
                  It wasn't a direct comparison between the two I was just stating some similarities. I actually believe those Suns teams might be better than the maybe Knicks team. They wasn't as bad defensively as this or the new look Knicks team with Melo. There isn't anybody on the Knicks even remotely close to the level of Marion and Bell on defense. In fact I would take those Suns over the Knicks with Melo.

                  With Amare and Melo taking up all that money here won't be much money for free agents. They will have to work with the MLE(if it is still around after the CBA) and league minimum players. Plus again I believe guys will be quicker to sign on with Miami than the Knicks when they money is the same. I know I would rather play with LeBron,Wade and Bosh than Melo,Stat, and unknown players. For all the problems the Heat have they are alot closer to a ring than the Knicks are even with Melo.
                  Truth about Marion + Bell on defense, but I'm saying you're not going to have the perfect team. You get what you can and hope for the best. Like I said, if you don't sign Melo.... then what? You hope and cross your fingers to get Paul or Dwight? There wouldn't be just as many question marks with one of them? I dunno, none of those three guys really distinguishes themselves as being able to elevate that team higher... I guess Dwight if I had to pick one? I dunno.

                  As far as the Miami v. NY debate, there will be guys out there who want the allure of the Big Apple. Miami and NY will both have feasts no reason they both can't at the same time.

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                  • Yeah...THAT Guy
                    Once in a Lifetime Memory
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 17294

                    #1719
                    Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                    Originally posted by mrjordan
                    So when Melo posts up, it's going to throw Amare's game off, but he doesn't have a problem with Dwight posting up? That's logical. The Knicks don't need a Dwight Howard in the middle. They need a Kendrick Perkins. Not looking at the money (not sure if it's possible), but building around a trio of Felton, Melo, and Amare is a great starting point. I would take that over the Heat's big three depending on the role players. If Mosgov develops into a good defensive C, he can be the starting C on that team.
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                    • Giants4Natic
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 2475

                      #1720
                      Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                      Alan Hahn of Newsday is reporting:

                      Update on Melo: talks will go thru AS Wknd, will get red hot by next Tues. Parameters set. Negotiation time. More to come later on Fix.

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                      • 23
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                        • Sep 2002
                        • 66469

                        #1721
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                        Thats news?

                        I could've sat there and got paid for writing that down

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                        • Yeah...THAT Guy
                          Once in a Lifetime Memory
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 17294

                          #1722
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                          Originally posted by 23
                          Thats news?

                          I could've sat there and got paid for writing that down
                          In other news, I heard from an inside source that the St. Louis Cardinals are talking to Albert Pujols about a new contract...
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                          • Kashanova
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 12695

                            #1723
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                            the reason they need melo is due to the fact that in clutch time the knicks have a hard time getting the ball to stat, and i rather not having shawne williams with the ball in clutch time...

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                            • PrettyT11
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 3220

                              #1724
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                              Truth about Marion + Bell on defense, but I'm saying you're not going to have the perfect team. You get what you can and hope for the best. Like I said, if you don't sign Melo.... then what? You hope and cross your fingers to get Paul or Dwight? There wouldn't be just as many question marks with one of them? I dunno, none of those three guys really distinguishes themselves as being able to elevate that team higher... I guess Dwight if I had to pick one? I dunno.

                              As far as the Miami v. NY debate, there will be guys out there who want the allure of the Big Apple. Miami and NY will both have feasts no reason they both can't at the same time.
                              I agree the Knicks should get him. I have never said they shouldn't get him when he buy all means wants to be there. I also agree you don't hold your breath waiting for CP3 or Dwight. I have never been a fan of putting a team on hold hoping you can get some guy years away who might not even leave his team. I was just saying I don't see them being a real contender unless they get some defense.

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                              • ehh
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 28962

                                #1725
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony (NY or Bust?) Thread

                                Originally posted by NYJets
                                Also, people need to stop comparing this team to the 70's Knicks, or the 90's Knicks. Those teams having nothing to do with this team.
                                Exactly, and the league & rules now are nothing like they were during those two eras. People need to let go of the past.

                                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                                All I can say is, in the playoffs you're going to need a star 1-2 punch.
                                Absolutely, especially since the playoffs turn into half court basketball. Our half court offense now is super Jekyl & Hyde. When Amare struggles against some better defensive teams then the Knicks are hopeless (outside of the aberration in Chicago in early Nov) too. We need more firepower.

                                Originally posted by Giants4Natic
                                The article is foolish because ppg and stats are not the biggest telling point of the impact Melo would have with the knicks.

                                Have you seen the Knicks when Stat is on the bench. They flat out stink and when one is out of the game we can still have a stud scorer on the floor to not lose momentum.
                                Good post, I agree. Same to my response to Ex, mostly. We are nowhere near as good offensively as the "basic" stats say. Honestly I cringe at our offensive about as often as I get pumped about it.

                                Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                                So when Melo posts up, it's going to throw Amare's game off, but he doesn't have a problem with Dwight posting up? That's logical. The Knicks don't need a Dwight Howard in the middle. They need a Kendrick Perkins. Not looking at the money (not sure if it's possible), but building around a trio of Felton, Melo, and Amare is a great starting point. I would take that over the Heat's big three depending on the role players. If Mosgov develops into a good defensive C, he can be the starting C on that team.
                                Not to mention Amare's mid-range J is damn near automatic at this point so he can still be effective offensively while giving Melo room to operate in the low/mid post. As long as Melo isn't a complete black hole then we'll have no problems.

                                Agreed 100% on the center aspect and I've been saying it since the day we signed Amare. We need a center to fill that role, until we do we will never be a serious contender - even if we have Amare/Melo/CP3 in two years. I'm hoping Mozgod develops, once he cuts down on the fouls and his nerves relax at worst he'll be a serviceable back up.
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