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  • domidomdomz
    MVP
    • Oct 2008
    • 1133

    #211
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

    Originally posted by WTF
    I'd pull the trigger if I were the Bulls, Noah or no Noah. Melo is a baller. Energy guys are great, and bring a LOT to the table... but Melo is a bonafide stud.

    A D-Rose, Melo, Boozer combo is just flat out nasty.
    Agree.

    Plus, the Bulls would surely fill the hole in the middle if ever Noah leave. I'm thinking of Dampier. MJ won't mind helping his former team, but that's just me throwing conspiracy theories. lol
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    • Rocky
      All Star
      • Jul 2002
      • 6896

      #212
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
      http://blogs.bulls.com/2010/09/im-ba...ut-no-carmelo/

      Sam Smith dropping knowledge. Exactly what I'm saying about giving up Noah for Anthony. You need size to win a championship and you don't give that up for scoring. Not in this NBA, not with those pieces laying in the wings for you. You wouldn't even be able to keep Taj in the deal in the Noah for Melo trade so you're just screwed in size. I want Melo, but not at the expense of Noah.
      You have to think about the big picture though. Noah will likely never be the player that Anthony is...so if you have the ability to get Carmelo, I make that happen. You can swing a deal for size later in the year or find guys in the league who come in a provide that size (I will give you Diop for free ). They might not win the championship this year with the frontcourt they have, but that can change in later years.
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      -Rocky Balboa

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      • Jasong7777
        All Star
        • May 2005
        • 6415

        #213
        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

        The Bulls need scoring. Melo can score. Do the damn thang.
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        • Dice
          Sitting by the door
          • Jul 2002
          • 6627

          #214
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
          http://blogs.bulls.com/2010/09/im-ba...ut-no-carmelo/

          Sam Smith dropping knowledge. Exactly what I'm saying about giving up Noah for Anthony. You need size to win a championship and you don't give that up for scoring. Not in this NBA, not with those pieces laying in the wings for you. You wouldn't even be able to keep Taj in the deal in the Noah for Melo trade so you're just screwed in size. I want Melo, but not at the expense of Noah.
          You need more than size to win, you need talent. And talent is much harder to come by than size. Going back to my argument of Luc Longely being the starting center of the Bulls second three-peat. He was there because of his 7'2" frame. BUT you could have put about 20 different guys at that time into his role and they still won three titles with him at the center. You'll be waiting for the next 30 years to find someone to replace Jordan and Pippen, the real reasons why they won 6 championships.
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          • SidVish
            2010,13,15,16 CHAMPS!
            • Apr 2003
            • 11743

            #215
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

            Man fans in Chicago seem to fall in love with decent players. We're talking about Carmelo Anthony here and people don't want to trade Noah? This reminds me of the whole we can't part with Deng for Kobe. Funny stuff.
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            • elprez98
              MVP
              • Dec 2003
              • 4237

              #216
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

              Originally posted by SidVish
              Man fans in Chicago seem to fall in love with decent players. We're talking about Carmelo Anthony here and people don't want to trade Noah? This reminds me of the whole we can't part with Deng for Kobe. Funny stuff.
              People didn't want Kobe because he we trying to be Jordan and had a crybaby problem.

              We have a TEAM. That's what wins championships. Who did the Lakers give up to get Pau, Kwame Brown, Aaron McKie? You didn't see them trading Andrew Bynum to get Pau. The best GMs on the best teams upgrade positions without sacrificing their current talent.

              I think its funny that every non-Bull fan believes its a great idea.
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              • Dice
                Sitting by the door
                • Jul 2002
                • 6627

                #217
                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                Originally posted by elprez98
                People didn't want Kobe because he we trying to be Jordan and had a crybaby problem.

                We have a TEAM. That's what wins championships. Who did the Lakers give up to get Pau, Kwame Brown, Aaron McKie? You didn't see them trading Andrew Bynum to get Pau. The best GMs on the best teams upgrade positions without sacrificing their current talent.

                I think its funny that every non-Bull fan believes its a great idea.
                The Lakers situation was a very unique situation. Stuff like that doesn't happen often. And from the reports I read, the Grizzlies wanted to trade him to the Bulls but the Bulls didn't want to pay the luxury tax. So he ends up going to the Lakers for a song-and-dance.

                And yes, teams win championships. BUT it's the teams with more talent that get's it done.
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                • SidVish
                  2010,13,15,16 CHAMPS!
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 11743

                  #218
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                  Uh I am a Bulls fan. So the bulls wouldn't be a team if they had melo instead of Noah ? I don't understand that. Those pau trades don't happen often. Usually you have to give up talent in order to get talent.
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                  • ex carrabba fan
                    I'll thank him for you
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 32744

                    #219
                    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                    Originally posted by elprez98
                    People didn't want Kobe because he we trying to be Jordan and had a crybaby problem.

                    We have a TEAM. That's what wins championships. Who did the Lakers give up to get Pau, Kwame Brown, Aaron McKie? You didn't see them trading Andrew Bynum to get Pau. The best GMs on the best teams upgrade positions without sacrificing their current talent.

                    I think its funny that every non-Bull fan believes its a great idea.
                    Please.

                    You aren't winning jack squat diddly with what you have now. In all likelihood you won't be able to get much more talent in the coming years with locking in Rose/Noah and already having a maxed out Boozer and a disgustingly overpaid Deng.

                    Have fun always being somewhat close but no cigar.

                    at some of you Chicago fans

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                    • ehh
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 28962

                      #220
                      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                      Originally posted by Dice
                      You need more than size to win, you need talent. And talent is much harder to come by than size. Going back to my argument of Luc Longely being the starting center of the Bulls second three-peat. He was there because of his 7'2" frame. BUT you could have put about 20 different guys at that time into his role and they still won three titles with him at the center. You'll be waiting for the next 30 years to find someone to replace Jordan and Pippen, the real reasons why they won 6 championships.
                      Yet the Bulls never won anything with MJ until the Cartwright trade when they actually got a real center who could fill the role Chicago desperately needed.

                      Cartwright, Longley, etc weren't stiffs or bums - they filled their role of size, defending (which pretty much meant clogging the paint in their cases) and rebounding. They were also smart big men which is definitely a rarity these days. Those guys are better than anything Chicago has on the roster right now in terms of rebounding/interior defense IF Noah is shipped out.

                      In the NBA in this day and age those type of bigs are few and far between and are def not easy to come across. You can't go get 20 guys like them, not a chance. You couldn't 15-20 years ago either. You can't just go find 7'2 guys who give you 10 points, 5 boards and 3 dimes, good defense and no headaches. If you could then teams like the Bulls and Knicks would be in much better positions. People are paying $10m/yr for Brendan Haywood for Christ's sake.

                      At this point in time, neither talent nor size are easy to come by in the NBA but both are mandatory to win a championship.



                      Just like I want the Knicks to stay put and not try to trade for Melo, I think that's in Chicago's best interest as well.
                      Last edited by ehh; 09-10-2010, 09:58 AM.
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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #221
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                        Originally posted by ehh
                        Yet the Bulls never won anything with MJ until the Cartwright trade when they actually got a real center who could fill the role Chicago desperately needed.

                        Cartwright, Longley, etc weren't stiffs or bums - they filled their role of size, defending (which pretty much meant clogging the paint in their cases) and rebounding. They were also smart big men which is definitely a rarity these days. Those guys are better than anything Chicago has on the roster right now in terms of rebounding/interior defense IF Noah is shipped out.

                        In the NBA in this day and age those type of bigs are few and far between and are def not easy to come across. You can't go get 20 guys like them, not a chance. You can't just go find 7'2 guys who give you 10 points, 5 boards and 3 dimes, good defense and no headaches. If you could then teams like the Bulls and Knicks would be in much better positions. People are paying $10m/yr for Brendan Haywood for Christ's sake.

                        At this point in time, neither talent nor size are easy to come by in the NBA but both are mandatory to win a championship.



                        Just like I want the Knicks to stay put and not try to trade for Melo, I think that's in Chicago's best interest as well.
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                        • ex carrabba fan
                          I'll thank him for you
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 32744

                          #222
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                          Missing the overall point completely.

                          As far as I know Chicago doesn't have an MJ currently.

                          What they have is a team who will always be right there but not quite a title team. When you look at their cap situation, unless they can trade Deng only for a superior wing scorer, they won't be able to maneuver much.

                          You lock in Rose/Noah to big deals and factor in Deng and a maxed Boozer, you won't be able to do much to add anyone.

                          Now if you give up Noah/Deng for Melo, you can extend Rose and have a Melo/Boozer then can add a relatively cheap big man in the mold of a Cartwright or Longley etc to put you over the top.

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                          • elprez98
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 4237

                            #223
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                            Please.

                            You aren't winning jack squat diddly with what you have now. In all likelihood you won't be able to get much more talent in the coming years with locking in Rose/Noah and already having a maxed out Boozer and a disgustingly overpaid Deng.

                            Have fun always being somewhat close but no cigar.

                            at some of you Chicago fans
                            Please explain to me where I said the Bulls were winning anything with the squad we have now? I said adding Melo and subtracting Noah doesn't make us a better team. We got rid of our best perimeter defender in Kirk and then we get rid of our best interior defender, for what? More scoring. We'd just be another Denver.
                            Last edited by elprez98; 09-10-2010, 10:07 AM.
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                            • ehh
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 28962

                              #224
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                              @ ex, not sure if you were talking to me but I was only responding to Dice and that tangent.
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                              • ex carrabba fan
                                I'll thank him for you
                                • Oct 2004
                                • 32744

                                #225
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                                Originally posted by elprez98
                                Please explain to me where I said the Bulls were winning anything with the squad we have now? I said adding Melo and subtracting Noah doesn't make us a better team.
                                I didn't say you said anything. IMO it's near fact that you guys won't win with your squad if you extend Noah/Rose. Unless I'm reading the cap wrong, with Deng/Boozer already in the fold, that would be your team for the foreseeable future.

                                The second part of your statement is definitely not fact.

                                Just refer to my previous post. With Melo/Rose/Boozer you can still afford to get you another big man to get you over the hump besides Taj Gibson who is developing into a nice PF himself.

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