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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #241
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga



    So you're suggesting they ignore the fact that Rose isn't up for an extension for a few years, and to go out and sign someone with Rose's money?



    Eventually they are going to need to commit to Rose/Noah. With Deng and Boozer already getting paid big $, yes they are pretty much strapped in.

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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #242
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

      Why can't they use the team option for next year, get another FA in the summer and then extend Rose the following summer when going over the cap won't hurt the Bulls since they already have FA X - well assuming the CBA still allows it.
      "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #243
        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

        Going over the cap isn't a factor at all.

        That wasn't really my point.

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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #244
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

          Then what is? Sounds like you're implying that they can't sign anyone next summer because of Rose's looming extension.
          "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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          • King_B_Mack
            All Star
            • Jan 2009
            • 24450

            #245
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

            Again are we seriously suggesting that the Bulls went on a spending spree this year knowing they have to pay Rose and Noah in the next three years basically screwing themselves from being able to make anymoves over the next several offseasons? Outside of Boozer's near max deal all the moves they made this year were for three years or less, this year is the last year of Rose's deal, they'll obviously pick up his option for next year and can go over the cap to lock him up the following year. The Lakers are able to maintain Kobe, Gasol, Bynum and Odom's huge deals on they're rosters and field championship teams in doing so and yet the Bulls are F'd in the A from getting better every year because they'll have to pay Rose and Noah?

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            • Dice
              Sitting by the door
              • Jul 2002
              • 6627

              #246
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

              You guys are seriously over-valuing Noah. I'm a big Bulls fan and I love what Noah brings to the table. BUT if I'm trading for a player who is better and to me upgrades the SF position, I'm taking it. And since everyone is so hung up on the center position, you can win a championship with a quality SF. But that's not my point.

              Championships aren't won by positions, it's won on impact players and how they impact the game. For example, post scoring is one ingredient to a championship team. It doesn't matter at what position, just have a dominate post scorer. 23 mentioned earlier about Jordan being the Bulls dominate post scorer because their big men couldn't post worth jack.

              So people shouldn't get so hung up on positions. How does this player impact the game. And for my money Noah and Melo both impact the game. However. Melo impacts the game more than Noah.
              I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #247
                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                Originally posted by ehh
                Then what is? Sounds like you're implying that they can't sign anyone next summer because of Rose's looming extension.
                No, I was saying Chicago is not in a position to add much if they lock up Rose/Noah. Even if Rose's deal isn't up for a while. Going over the cap isn't the issue, it's the amount of big money contracts they can afford.

                They already have Deng/Boozer.
                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                Again are we seriously suggesting that the Bulls went on a spending spree this year knowing they have to pay Rose and Noah in the next three years basically screwing themselves from being able to make anymoves over the next several offseasons? Outside of Boozer's near max deal all the moves they made this year were for three years or less, this year is the last year of Rose's deal, they'll obviously pick up his option for next year and can go over the cap to lock him up the following year. The Lakers are able to maintain Kobe, Gasol, Bynum and Odom's huge deals on they're rosters and field championship teams in doing so and yet the Bulls are F'd in the A from getting better every year because they'll have to pay Rose and Noah?
                Are you suggesting Chicago will become the highest paid team in the league then?

                You do realize Odom gets paid 8 mill?

                They basically have 3 max players in Kobe/Pau/Andrew, which not too many other teams if any have. Not too many owners want the tag of having the highest payroll.

                Rose will no doubt be a max player. Boozer is already a max player. Deng gets paid as much as Bynum. Noah will most likely command a Deng like contract.

                You do the math and tell me how they will be able to maneuver much. I don't think we're on the same page on this topic.

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                • airjoca
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 643

                  #248
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                  MJ and Pip without Grant and Cartwright in 91-93 and without Rodman 96-98 would probably not win all those championships. I'd rather stick with Noah.

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                  • King_B_Mack
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 24450

                    #249
                    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                    No, I was saying Chicago is not in a position to add much if they lock up Rose/Noah. Even if Rose's deal isn't up for a while. Going over the cap isn't the issue, it's the amount of big money contracts they can afford.

                    They already have Deng/Boozer.

                    Are you suggesting Chicago will become the highest paid team in the league then?

                    You do realize Odom gets paid 8 mill?

                    They basically have 3 max players in Kobe/Pau/Andrew, which not too many other teams if any have. Not too many owners want the tag of having the highest payroll.

                    Rose will no doubt be a max player. Boozer is already a max player. Deng gets paid as much as Bynum. Noah will most likely command a Deng like contract.

                    You do the math and tell me how they will be able to maneuver much. I don't think we're on the same page on this topic.
                    First off Boozer isn't max, but close enough so I get where you're going with it. Noah could get less than Deng money but I won't say he's not getting it. Again Rose's deal is irrelevant until after the 2012/2013 season in which case Deng is going into the last year of his deal. Deng can be swung either in the last year of Rose's deal or in the following year as 14.3 million dollars expiring is something that teams will jump at. They're working on a deal to extend Noah, that can either be reached before the start of this season, the middle or the end of the year. Potentially the Bulls could have a three guys next year making 13,12 and 10-12. Meanwhile the Heat have three guys making 14-14.5 million and they're already NBA champions before playing a single game.

                    Your whole argument about they're roster status is moot anyway because you're talking in terms of them moving Deng in the deal. The Nuggets want expirings and draft picks along with young talent. Deng doesn't fit any of that criteria in a potential deal. If the Bulls get Melo, they're keeping Deng to do it which screws them over more than what you're saying as they're gonna be paying him max money. Can't see how you're complaining about the Bulls not having cap space to sign people with having big deals with Deng, Rose, Noah and Boozer, but having bigger max deals for Rose, Boozer and Melo is better. At least the Heat's big three isn't quite the max, Rose and Melo are probably getting the full boat.

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                    • ex carrabba fan
                      I'll thank him for you
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 32744

                      #250
                      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                      Originally posted by airjoca
                      MJ and Pip without Grant and Cartwright in 91-93 and without Rodman 96-98 would probably not win all those championships. I'd rather stick with Noah.
                      This is such a terrible comparison.

                      Your current Bulls team doesn't have MJ nor Pipp

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                      • King_B_Mack
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 24450

                        #251
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                        The main issue here is what good is it to make it out of the East or just compete with Miami and Orlando, get to the Finals and get dominated by the Lakers with your undersized 5 and no defense/poor rebounding 3 and 4.

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                        • Dice
                          Sitting by the door
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 6627

                          #252
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                          The main issue here is what good is it to make it out of the East or just compete with Miami and Orlando, get to the Finals and get dominated by the Lakers with your undersized 5 and no defense/poor rebounding 3 and 4.
                          With Rose-Noah-Boozer you don't even get out of the East. You have to look at the big picture. The Lakers probably has maybe two more years of a title run. Once that's done, the Heat and Orlando is going to be you main competitors. Which means, you better worry about them more than the Lakers. And as I stated before, Rose-Noah-Boozer will not be enough against Wade-LeBron-Bosh.
                          I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                          • phenom1990
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 4789

                            #253
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                            Melo would give the Bulls another go to scorer and a guy that can get a bucket when you need it. When everything isn't working you need a guy that you can go to. Game 7 Lakers Celtics, this exact thing was what cost the Celtics the championship. Down the stretch, they couldn't throw it to one player and say get us a bucket. If they add Melo; they could throw it in the post to Boozer, give it to Melo and let him use his size on smaller guys or his quickness on bigger guys.

                            Rose still needs to get better in the half court setting before he reaches that level. I understand getting Melo would lead to a downgrade at the 5. Noah to a Dalembert type player< from Deng to Melo type player.
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                            • King_B_Mack
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 24450

                              #254
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                              Originally posted by Dice
                              With Rose-Noah-Boozer you don't even get out of the East. You have to look at the big picture. The Lakers probably has maybe two more years of a title run. Once that's done, the Heat and Orlando is going to be you main competitors. Which means, you better worry about them more than the Lakers. And as I stated before, Rose-Noah-Boozer will not be enough against Wade-LeBron-Bosh.
                              You just need maybe one more shooter with that group to get out of the East. With either scenario you're just a piece or two away from actually competing for a title. The Bulls as currently constructed can compete in the East and could shock they're way into the Finals considering we still don't know how much Rose has improved yet. With the weapons he has now and another offseason of development under his belt he can explode this season for all we know. They're a legit 2 guard away right now. With no Noah they're a post presence away and still in need of one more shooter to spread the floor.

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                              • elprez98
                                MVP
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 4237

                                #255
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                                You just need maybe one more shooter with that group to get out of the East. With either scenario you're just a piece or two away from actually competing for a title. The Bulls as currently constructed can compete in the East and could shock they're way into the Finals considering we still don't know how much Rose has improved yet. With the weapons he has now and another offseason of development under his belt he can explode this season for all we know. They're a legit 2 guard away right now. With no Noah they're a post presence away and still in need of one more shooter to spread the floor.
                                Exactly. Add Melo and you are still a legit 2 AND big man away from success.
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