Carmelo Anthony Traded To New York

[King_B_Mack]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

There's a few double double machines. Far more than there are players of Melo's caliber. I personally think it'll be pretty funny when Melo goes to New York, followed by Chris Paul(potentially), and they consistently challenge for the eastern conference title while the Bulls annually get bounced in the 2nd round.

You know what thats fine by me at this point. Melo is acting like a bitch right now and the fact is he has his mind made up on building a super team in New York with Amare and Paul, let him go there and do it then. I don't want his *** here, not winning a championship in the next two or three years and bouncing to New York in a few years anyway or pulling the same crap he's pulling right now.

[mKoz26]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

I feel like having a closer is being underrated.

Prime example was last night. OKC took control of the game after they shut down Rose. The Bulls had no one to turn to with the ball to make a big shot for them. To keep them in the game.

I don't care what no one says, Boozer is not going to be that guy. He is not a go to scorer.

At the end of close games, against staunch defenses, when teams are buckling down defensively, you need that guy who can get you a basket and keep you in the game offensively. As of right now, the Bulls don't have that. With Melo they would.

They had one field goal in the last 5 minutes before they were down ten. ONE.

They had no one to close the game.

This is going to be a recurring theme with this group now. Not being able to close out games consistently. Especially against the elite teams. This becomes even more important when you are playing on the road.

The Lakers have Kobe
The Celts have Pierce
The Heat have Wade and LeBron
The Mavs have Dirk
The Thunder have Durant
The Spurs have Ginobli and Duncan

If you want to be an elite team, you have to have that guy to close out tough games. That guy can be Melo. He is exactly what you want in a closer...

• The ability to score virtually anywhere on the floor, making it tough on the defense to keep him out of good scoring position.
• The ability to get to the line and makes free throws. Crucial when shots aren't falling and the game is close.
• Being an excellent one on one player. For when nothing else is working for the team offensively.
• The ability to take and make big shots down the stretch. It's nice to have someone you can trust to deliver when his number is called.
• The ability to knock down tough shots with great defense. Role players are going to struggle against good defense, so this is needed.

Without having someone who can do these things, a team is going to lose a lot of close games, just like the Bulls did last night. Especially in the playoffs and on the road. Melo brings all of this to the table. The perfect closer.

Without having a guy to close out games, the Bulls are not going to be an elite team and they are not going anywhere in the playoffs when a go to guy is needed.

If Manu Ginobili and Tim Duncan are closers, why can't Derrick Rose be one in the near future? He was drafted #1 overall, has loads of potential, is considered a top 5 PG by many in his 3rd year, and has played well in the playoffs thus far.

Why can't he be one of those top 10 guys in 2-ish years?

[King_B_Mack]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

And how about we actually SEE Boozer play with the team before we decide whether the Bulls are unable to close out games? And I may just be the idiot here cause I didn't see last night's game, but maybe, just maybe a team shooting 47 FTs might be a reason the Bulls lost as well.

[Bumi]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

I also dont agree with the notion on the last couple of pages that rebounders are a dime a dozen. Thats not true to a high degree...not guys who can snatch up 20 rebounds and play stifling defense...


I wouldn't trade Noah to get Melo, although the Bulls still need that inside regardless when its said and done, they cant remain a purely preimeter team and expect to go to the next level.

Oh and sorry, but Luc Longely didnt get pushed around in the post like he was some kind of twig...same for Bill Cartwright.
They weren't great players but its a reason they were there, and why the Bulls defense remained Wholly bulldoggish all around.

You don't need a big who can pull down 20 boards. All one needs is two bigs who can average 8-12 boards a game and you're good. Which, relative to finding a 28 ppg scorer, is relatively simple.

I'd deal Noah for Melo without hesitation. The Bulls, even without Noah, would have two very goods bigs in Boozer and Gibson. But do they have a go to scorer, one they can go to in clutch time? Nope. They have Derrick Rose, an inefficient scorer. And once he's taken away, the team practically collapses offensively.

[mKoz26]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

You don't need a big who can pull down 20 boards. All one needs is two bigs who can average 8-12 boards a game and you're good. Which, relative to finding a 28 ppg scorer, is relatively simple.

I'd deal Noah for Melo without hesitation. The Bulls, even without Noah, would have two very goods bigs in Boozer and Gibson. But do they have a go to scorer, one they can go to in clutch time? Nope. They have Derrick Rose, an inefficient scorer. And once he's taken away, the team practically collapses offensively.

Are you a Knicks fan?

[Bumi]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

You know what thats fine by me at this point. Melo is acting like a bitch right now and the fact is he has his mind made up on building a super team in New York with Amare and Paul, let him go there and do it then. I don't want his *** here, not winning a championship in the next two or three years and bouncing to New York in a few years anyway or pulling the same crap he's pulling right now.

Seriously, stop whining. He's acting like a "bitch" because he's placing himself in the best possibile situation to win, as well as maximize his profits? It's called being smart.

[Bumi]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Are you a Knicks fan?

No, not at all.

[Mo]

Not sure what being a Knicks fan has to do it with, he's right with that assestment.

[Bumi]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

If Manu Ginobili and Tim Duncan are closers, why can't Derrick Rose be one in the near future? He was drafted #1 overall, has loads of potential, is considered a top 5 PG by many in his 3rd year, and has played well in the playoffs thus far.

Why can't he be one of those top 10 guys in 2-ish years?

Because he's an inefficient scorer?

Furthermore, when has a team ever been successful with a PG as their primary go to guy?

[TMagic]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

If Manu Ginobili and Tim Duncan are closers, why can't Derrick Rose be one in the near future? He was drafted #1 overall, has loads of potential, is considered a top 5 PG by many in his 3rd year, and has played well in the playoffs thus far.

Why can't he be one of those top 10 guys in 2-ish years?

Because he's a point guard.

It is my belief that a point guard cannot be your closer if you are to be an elite team. I'm not saying that there aren't going to be times where Rose does a good job down the stretch. Just that it's not going to be as consistent as the guys that I listed because he's a point guard.

As a point, he has to start everything from the three point line out. This goes against one of the things I said makes a good closer in that he should be able to score from multiple areas on the floor. Rose is not in any type of good scoring position when he looks to score being out past the three point line.

This makes it easier on defenses to rotate and help out. As well as pack the lane which will end up forcing Rose into a lot of tough, long jumpers. Or really tough contested lay ups.

It is much harder to hit a jumper after a series of dribble moves to get off a shot for point guards, than it is for a wing or big to get the ball, make a quick move, and put a shot up. This is what will prevent Rose from being able to consistently close out games.

I believe this is the primary reason why the elite point guards have not been the best player on their team in most championship teams.

[TMagic]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

And how about we actually SEE Boozer play with the team before we decide whether the Bulls are unable to close out games? And I may just be the idiot here cause I didn't see last night's game, but maybe, just maybe a team shooting 47 FTs might be a reason the Bulls lost as well.

Sure that contributed. But that's not the reason they lost.

The Bulls were down two with five minutes left to play. The Thunder only made 4 free throws in the last five minutes.

They lost because once Rose was taken out the game, they had nothing else/no one else to turn to. The offense simply fell flat..

That's why they lost.

[Murkurial]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Sure that contributed. But that's not the reason they lost.

The Bulls were down two with five minutes left to play. The Thunder only made 4 free throws in the last five minutes.

They lost because once Rose was taken out the game, they had nothing else/no one else to turn to. The offense simply fell flat..

That's why they lost.

You know Boozer wasn't playing right?

And how many games into the season are we?

[mKoz26]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Because he's an inefficient scorer?

Furthermore, when has a team ever been successful with a PG as their primary go to guy?

Derrick Rose will be the Bulls' go to guy based solely on the fact that he was drafted #1 and has lived up to his potential thus far. Why? Well, he's gonna demand max money when his contract runs out and this about forces the Bulls to build around him.

Is it worth it for the Bulls to get both an offensive PG and a scoring SF for the max in the long run? Then also mixing in an offensive PF for near max money? That's almost the whole cap right there.

I don't think so. I think to win a championship the Bulls must build like the Pistons did leading up to 2004. They already have two of their positions locked, Rose and Boozer. I think with Noah at center and cap space, the Bulls can pull in a stopper at SG or SF and a role player/sharpshooter at the other of the two, and possibly make a run at a championship.

Many of you pulling for Melo are not actually thinking about the team or its current state. This isn't fantasy basketball. Talent does not equal championships, and neither do points. Melo does not fit on the team in its current state and if Melo, Rose, and Boozer are locked as starters, this team can not win a championship, because it will not have the cap room to get the defenders it would need at the other two spots.

However, I do like TMagic's point about closers, but I think Derrick Rose can be that guy.

[Mo]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

However, I do like TMagic's point about closers, but I think Derrick Rose can be that guy.

You got to be able to have a jumpshot to be a closer, D-Rose doesnt have that, unfortunately

[King_B_Mack]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Seriously, stop whining. He's acting like a "bitch" because he's placing himself in the best possibile situation to win, as well as maximize his profits? It's called being smart.

Wait, I'm whining and you're in here crying about a deal that can't even happen at this point? Hilarity I say!