Carmelo Anthony Traded To New York

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

What's the difference between an efficient scorer and an INefficient scorer:

http://www.roundballminingcompany.co...ony-efficient/

Anybody read the link I posted earlier?

[mKoz26]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Anybody read the link I posted earlier?

Yes and it makes you wonder if Carmelo is actually as good or "efficient" as he is perceived to be.

I'd also love to see numbers like that for Derrick Rose.

[Dice]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

You REALLY need to start responding to what people are posting rather than talking about what you want their posts to say. Nobody said Melo is terrible because he can't play D.

We're saying he's a terrible fit for the Bulls because he can't play D. Especially if they have to give up Noah to get him.

OK, so no one said the exact words of him being a "terrible defender". But this is pretty close:

He's overrated because his game is too one-dimensional. Who cares if you can put up 30ppg every night when you give up 40+(your man scoring and others on the opposing team scoring because you are out of position) due to poor defense.

Now you just posted a couple of minutes ago about defense his defense being an issue:

Oh okay. lol

I like TMagic's post but defense is the biggest issue with Carmelo.

So what's the problem?

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Another article regarding Carmelo Anthony, which made some good points in there:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/471668-carmelo-anthony-is-he-really-an-elite-player

Another article regarding his Defense:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/2214/testing-the-theory-that-carmelo-anthony-is-a-lousy-defender

[mKoz26]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Nobody's "crucifying" him. We're saying he doesn't fit with the Bulls because he isn't a good defender.

[Dice]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Another article regarding Carmelo Anthony, which made some good points in there:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/471668-carmelo-anthony-is-he-really-an-elite-player

Another article regarding his Defense:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...lousy-defender

WOW! After about 800+ post, someone finally put something up about Melo and his defense. good article

...but here's another one from the same site about how his defense has improved. It works both ways:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/6443/is-carmelo-playing-a-better-brand-of-defense

So believe what you want to believe.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Exactly, so don't tell people they're not making any sense just because they don't agree with you when all it really is, is just a matter of what YOU want to believe.

Only reason why it took 800+ posts is because the first 500-700 Posts were spent talking about where he would end up and not about Carmelo the Player.

Did you read the article about his "efficient" scoring since you(I believe)along with others were saying that he's an Elite Scorer?

[Stumbleweed]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

The conclusion to that article was that he'd easily be one of the most efficient scorers in the league if he wasn't taking so many contested shots. Putting him in an offense with Rose and Boozer would accomplish that because he's not having to create open looks for himself, which is something he struggles with compared to Wade, LeBron, and Kobe. But he's also not the primary ball-handler, using screens constantly, etc. -- his style is less likely to get him open shots, especially when he's the clear #1 offensive option, which is what's been going on his entire career in Denver. There hasn't really been a #1A #1B type of situation in Denver -- with Chicago, it would truly be a three-headed offensive monster since all 3 guys can score 20+ PPG regularly.

Also, his defense has been improving and is really an overblown issue with his game. He's no worse than any number of other wing players who lack lateral quickness -- when he is tasked with locking someone down and bothering them, he does a good job. Clearly he's not a great or even good defender, but I think his offensive and overall contributions far outweigh that issue, especially if they can stick a few other sound defensive pieces on the wings to save him from having to guard the other team's best player.

I second TMagic's post about how the three of them would play together beautifully. If anything, Melo might cramp Boozer's style a bit since they both like that elbow and high post quite a bit... but he's very versatile offensively and would be able to mold his game to the surroundings.

He's been playing very under control and within the team concept this year especially... looks great.

[Game4fun]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Carmelo is not going to the bulls so you can just save your time. lol

[King_B_Mack]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

The conclusion to that article was that he'd easily be one of the most efficient scorers in the league if he wasn't taking so many contested shots. Putting him in an offense with Rose and Boozer would accomplish that because he's not having to create open looks for himself, which is something he struggles with compared to Wade, LeBron, and Kobe. But he's also not the primary ball-handler, using screens constantly, etc. -- his style is less likely to get him open shots, especially when he's the clear #1 offensive option, which is what's been going on his entire career in Denver. There hasn't really been a #1A #1B type of situation in Denver -- with Chicago, it would truly be a three-headed offensive monster since all 3 guys can score 20+ PPG regularly.

Also, his defense has been improving and is really an overblown issue with his game. He's no worse than any number of other wing players who lack lateral quickness -- when he is tasked with locking someone down and bothering them, he does a good job. Clearly he's not a great or even good defender, but I think his offensive and overall contributions far outweigh that issue, especially if they can stick a few other sound defensive pieces on the wings to save him from having to guard the other team's best player.

I second TMagic's post about how the three of them would play together beautifully. If anything, Melo might cramp Boozer's style a bit since they both like that elbow and high post quite a bit... but he's very versatile offensively and would be able to mold his game to the surroundings.

He's been playing very under control and within the team concept this year especially... looks great.

So then then we can just eliminate the years 2006-2009 correct? Cool.

[Bornindamecca]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

The problem is if they lose Noah, chicago doesn't have the size to compete in a 2nd rd playoff series in the east. They won't get stops they won't get boards, and Boozer's size would be a problem too often. Carlos's game suffers if he's not next to a seven footer and flourishes when he is. Melo isn't always efficient but he has elite scoring skills. He can score against any defense, which is overlooked by stats. With Melo, the issue will never be offense. He's big strong fast and skilled. But you need the personnel around him to take care of the other parts of the game. You cannot beat an elite team with a Melo lead team without compensating. Better to trade Rose and Gibson for Melo and Lawson than to give up size.

The conclusion to that article was that he'd easily be one of the most efficient scorers in the league if he wasn't taking so many contested shots. Putting him in an offense with Rose and Boozer would accomplish that because he's not having to create open looks for himself, which is something he struggles with compared to Wade, LeBron, and Kobe. But he's also not the primary ball-handler, using screens constantly, etc. -- his style is less likely to get him open shots, especially when he's the clear #1 offensive option, which is what's been going on his entire career in Denver. There hasn't really been a #1A #1B type of situation in Denver -- with Chicago, it would truly be a three-headed offensive monster since all 3 guys can score 20+ PPG regularly.

Also, his defense has been improving and is really an overblown issue with his game. He's no worse than any number of other wing players who lack lateral quickness -- when he is tasked with locking someone down and bothering them, he does a good job. Clearly he's not a great or even good defender, but I think his offensive and overall contributions far outweigh that issue, especially if they can stick a few other sound defensive pieces on the wings to save him from having to guard the other team's best player.

I second TMagic's post about how the three of them would play together beautifully. If anything, Melo might cramp Boozer's style a bit since they both like that elbow and high post quite a bit... but he's very versatile offensively and would be able to mold his game to the surroundings.

He's been playing very under control and within the team concept this year especially... looks great.

[Altimus]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Born, Rose ain't going no where and I wouldn't ship him for Melo. We're talking about a guy on the way to possible #1 PG status in the league.

[TMagic]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Someone teach that man some D. That's all I'm asking for.

Like a couple others have mentioned, I think his defense has gotten better.

I think it really is a product of coaching than anything. I am not 100% on this, maybe Stumble can drop some knowledge, but defense never really seemed to be something that was emphasized with Denver prior to 2008-2009 season. It wasn't just Melo, but the whole team that really seemed to just look to create turnovers, get out on the break, and just try to outscore their opponents. Just a lot of matador defense to hurry up and get the ball back to score.

That season where Billups joined Denver, in the games I saw, he seemed to make more of an effort defensively. Prior to that season, he just played lazy defense. Going for steals instead of just staying in front of his man, and giving half-hearted attempts at contesting shots just to get out on the break. That was not the case that 08-09 season. I really took notice of his defense in the playoffs when he matched up against Kobe and the Lakers. He looked pretty good in that series and was Denvers best defender on Kobe. He made Kobe work.

So I think Melo definitely has the capability to be a decent, even good defender. But I think it's just going to take coaching to push that upon him which I think Thibs would do in Chicago.


And I totally get what those that are saying that the removal of Joakim is the problem, in that this would really hurt Chicago defensively. I agree with those sentiments wholeheartedly.

But my thinking is that they can acquire a player who can rebound and play good defense after the trade. Put aside Joakim's offensive development as you would have Rose-Melo-Boozer to provide the scoring. All you would need is somebody who would give the Bulls a presence on the inside defensively.

That could be addressed through trade, free agency, or the draft. Tyson Chandler, Erick Dampier, Samuel Dalembert, Ronny Turiaf, and Kwame Brown could all be free agents next year who the Bulls may be able to sign for the low (I must admit that I'm not really good at all the financial aspects of the NBA).

So the Bulls would now have their leader and point guard in Rose, their scorer/closer in Melo, their low post scorer in Boozer, and one of those guys for defense and rebounding. I see that scenario being the easiest to accomplish than for the Bulls to keep Noah and try to get an elite scorer.

[Altimus]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Out of also those only Dalembert is a capable starter. Dampier is done, Chandler has constant health problems. Kwame is close to being out of the league and Turiaf is no legit starting center.

The bottom line is the Bulls don't need Carmelo at the expense of Noah. Keep Noah, Boozer, Deng, Rose and just give me a legit starting two guard.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Like a couple others have mentioned, I think his defense has gotten better.

I think it really is a product of coaching than anything. I am not 100% on this, maybe Stumble can drop some knowledge, but defense never really seemed to be something that was emphasized with Denver prior to 2008-2009 season. It wasn't just Melo, but the whole team that really seemed to just look to create turnovers, get out on the break, and just try to outscore their opponents. Just a lot of matador defense to hurry up and get the ball back to score.

That season where Billups joined Denver, in the games I saw, he seemed to make more of an effort defensively. Prior to that season, he just played lazy defense. Going for steals instead of just staying in front of his man, and giving half-hearted attempts at contesting shots just to get out on the break. That was not the case that 08-09 season. I really took notice of his defense in the playoffs when he matched up against Kobe and the Lakers. He looked pretty good in that series and was Denvers best defender on Kobe. He made Kobe work.

Exactly it wasn't the case just like it wasn't for Wade or Kobe or Lebron and I think them playing together in the Olympics had something to do with that and to me he carried that over into that following season and where did that get Denver? To the Conference Finals.

So my question is, what happened since then? Why didn't he continue that type of play/effort he showed in his play that he played with in 08-09? It's been almost 2 years now since we seen him play the same type of D that he played in the Olympics but out of the players I mentioned earlier, his D has seemed to drop off while everyone else's either got better or remained the same from that year.

It's like he basically said "Yea, I showed everyone that I can play some Defense that year and now that everyone knows I can, I don't have to play it as well as I did that year anymore".