I'm trying to think how many Superstars who weren't up there Defensively have lead their teams to Championships and even among the Superstars who were strong on BOTH ends, how many did it without elite defensive front court presences? The only one I could really think of in my time is MJ and even that took me a while to think of.
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I'm trying to think how many Superstars who weren't up there Defensively have lead their teams to Championships and even among the Superstars who were strong on BOTH ends, how many did it without elite defensive front court presences? The only one I could really think of in my time is MJ and even that took me a while to think of.#RespectTheCulture -
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I'm trying to think how many Superstars who weren't up there Defensively have lead their teams to Championships and even among the Superstars who were strong on BOTH ends, how many did it without elite defensive front court presences? The only one I could really think of in my time is MJ and even that took me a while to think of.
Spoken plainly, Rose/Boozer/Melo cannot beat any of the elite teams in the league in a 7 game series.Comment
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Exactly, so don't tell people they're not making any sense just because they don't agree with you when all it really is, is just a matter of what YOU want to believe.
Only reason why it took 800+ posts is because the first 500-700 Posts were spent talking about where he would end up and not about Carmelo the Player.
Did you read the article about his "efficient" scoring since you(I believe)along with others were saying that he's an Elite Scorer?
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We can post articles about Melo all day. You can find the bad, and I'll find the good. But here are the hardcore facts:
- Melo has the fourth highest career scoring average among active players with at least 5 years in the league(24.7 ppg)
- He's been to the playoffs every year.
- He's never been on a loosing team.
- He's never won a championship(BUT neither has LeBron or Durrant)
My take on it by looking at raw data and not from an article, if your amongst the top five active players scoring-wise that makes you an elite scorer. BUT that's just me.I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm XComment
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Like a couple others have mentioned, I think his defense has gotten better.
I think it really is a product of coaching than anything. I am not 100% on this, maybe Stumble can drop some knowledge, but defense never really seemed to be something that was emphasized with Denver prior to 2008-2009 season. It wasn't just Melo, but the whole team that really seemed to just look to create turnovers, get out on the break, and just try to outscore their opponents. Just a lot of matador defense to hurry up and get the ball back to score.
That season where Billups joined Denver, in the games I saw, he seemed to make more of an effort defensively. Prior to that season, he just played lazy defense. Going for steals instead of just staying in front of his man, and giving half-hearted attempts at contesting shots just to get out on the break. That was not the case that 08-09 season. I really took notice of his defense in the playoffs when he matched up against Kobe and the Lakers. He looked pretty good in that series and was Denvers best defender on Kobe. He made Kobe work.
So I think Melo definitely has the capability to be a decent, even good defender. But I think it's just going to take coaching to push that upon him which I think Thibs would do in Chicago.
And I totally get what those that are saying that the removal of Joakim is the problem, in that this would really hurt Chicago defensively. I agree with those sentiments wholeheartedly.
But my thinking is that they can acquire a player who can rebound and play good defense after the trade. Put aside Joakim's offensive development as you would have Rose-Melo-Boozer to provide the scoring. All you would need is somebody who would give the Bulls a presence on the inside defensively.
King-B-Mack: Melo and Iverson /= Melo, Rose, and Boozer... not even close. Nene is not as good as Boozer, Camby was not as good as Boozer (offensively)... Melo has never had a big man like that along with another premier scoring guard. Iverson and Melo were an elite scoring tandem, but that team was lacking the inside presence to get it done in crunch time, especially with Nene out much of those years and guys like Camby and K-Mart who don't exactly put the fear in a defense as the primary bigs.
He's actually in a better situation right now than he's even been IMO -- this team is SOLID with Afflalo and Lawson playing great, Shelden Williams being surprisingly capable, and Al Harrington finally providing a big man scoring threat from all over the floor. Once Bird and K-Mart are back, the defense will be very solid and the bench will be ridiculous... I hope he realizes that and sticks around.Send your Midnight Release weirdo pics/videos to my new website: http://www.peopleofmidnightreleases.com!Comment
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King-B-Mack: Melo and Iverson /= Melo, Rose, and Boozer... not even close. Nene is not as good as Boozer, Camby was not as good as Boozer (offensively)... Melo has never had a big man like that along with another premier scoring guard. Iverson and Melo were an elite scoring tandem, but that team was lacking the inside presence to get it done in crunch time, especially with Nene out much of those years and guys like Camby and K-Mart who don't exactly put the fear in a defense as the primary bigs.
He's actually in a better situation right now than he's even been IMO -- this team is SOLID with Afflalo and Lawson playing great, Shelden Williams being surprisingly capable, and Al Harrington finally providing a big man scoring threat from all over the floor. Once Bird and K-Mart are back, the defense will be very solid and the bench will be ridiculous... I hope he realizes that and sticks around.Comment
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Even with AI around, Melo was still the focus of the offense and the desired end point for 90% of possessions. AI did his freestyling thing to open up space for him and it seemed to work pretty well for both of them scoring-wise... but that's still a substantively different situation than it would be in Chicago.Send your Midnight Release weirdo pics/videos to my new website: http://www.peopleofmidnightreleases.com!Comment
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Yes, I read the "efficient" scoring article. I too can Google articles about Carmelo and post positive articles about his game. Here's one that says that he may be incomplete but that doesn't mean your not elite:
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We can post articles about Melo all day. You can find the bad, and I'll find the good. But here are the hardcore facts:
- Melo has the fourth highest career scoring average among active players with at least 5 years in the league(24.7 ppg)
- He's been to the playoffs every year.
- He's never been on a loosing team.
- He's never won a championship(BUT neither has LeBron or Durrant)
My take on it by looking at raw data and not from an article, if your amongst the top five active players scoring-wise that makes you an elite scorer. BUT that's just me.
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MJ was a special case, not just because of himself, but Pippen was the best defender at his position during their run. Since the Bulls only had to consistently face one elite big man at the time, their defense generally allowed them to skate. No coincidence that the teams that gave the Bulls the hardest time were all much better on the interior-Indiana, New York, the Magic*
oh I agree. I'm not suggesting it, just saying that in terms of championship formula, you want to keep the bigs and offense, rather than sacrifice a guy who may be a top 3 interior defender going into the next 10 years. Joakim is good for two playoff wins in a tough series. Meaning, there will likely be two times in any or every playoff series where the opposing team's big man doesn't generate enough offense or efficiency in the one on one matchup to allow that team to function on its best terms. You give that up for Melo, you are guaranteeing a field day for Bosh, Howard, Amar'e and Brook Lopez going into the future. Who knows how those teams will look over the next five to seven year window, but with Noah, you know you're sitting pretty.
Spoken plainly, Rose/Boozer/Melo cannot beat any of the elite teams in the league in a 7 game series.#RespectTheCultureComment
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NOTE: I do not think Rose is number 1 in the league at his position or even in the top three at this point.Comment
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Derick Rose will never be the best point guard in the league and the bulls will never win another championship any time soon there just not good enough. There overrated. Thats My opinion!!!! There gonna lose to the Magic, Heat, Celtics anyway you look at it.
If Carmelo goes to NY ( which everybody except Knicks bashers will admit is probably going to happen) will not only team up with Amare but they will probably get Chris Paul because Chris Paul is on record saying there gonna form there own super three. If ( IF, KEY WORD) they sign them, The Knicks have a better foundation and players all over the Board, Carmelo, Amare, Paul, all better then anybody in Chicago's roster. But the Knicks would have to build around them and that's where I can see some problems. Carmelo, Paul, Amare FTW! Hope it happens!Comment
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Derick Rose will never be the best point guard in the league and the bulls will never win another championship any time soon there just not good enough. There overrated. Thats My opinion!!!! There gonna lose to the Magic, Heat, Celtics anyway you look at it.
If Carmelo goes to NY ( which everybody except Knicks bashers will admit is probably going to happen) will not only team up with Amare but they will probably get Chris Paul because Chris Paul is on record saying there gonna form there own super three. If ( IF, KEY WORD) they sign them, The Knicks have a better foundation and players all over the Board, Carmelo, Amare, Paul, all better then anybody in Chicago's roster. But the Knicks would have to build around them and that's where I can see some problems. Carmelo, Paul, Amare FTW! Hope it happens!Comment
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