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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #886
    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

    Originally posted by Bornindamecca
    The problem is if they lose Noah, chicago doesn't have the size to compete in a 2nd rd playoff series in the east. They won't get stops they won't get boards, and Boozer's size would be a problem too often. Carlos's game suffers if he's not next to a seven footer and flourishes when he is. Melo isn't always efficient but he has elite scoring skills. He can score against any defense, which is overlooked by stats. With Melo, the issue will never be offense. He's big strong fast and skilled. But you need the personnel around him to take care of the other parts of the game. You cannot beat an elite team with a Melo lead team without compensating. Better to trade Rose and Gibson for Melo and Lawson than to give up size.
    I'm trying to think how many Superstars who weren't up there Defensively have lead their teams to Championships and even among the Superstars who were strong on BOTH ends, how many did it without elite defensive front court presences? The only one I could really think of in my time is MJ and even that took me a while to think of.
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    • Bornindamecca
      Books Nelson Simnation
      • Jul 2007
      • 10919

      #887
      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
      I'm trying to think how many Superstars who weren't up there Defensively have lead their teams to Championships and even among the Superstars who were strong on BOTH ends, how many did it without elite defensive front court presences? The only one I could really think of in my time is MJ and even that took me a while to think of.
      MJ was a special case, not just because of himself, but Pippen was the best defender at his position during their run. Since the Bulls only had to consistently face one elite big man at the time, their defense generally allowed them to skate. No coincidence that the teams that gave the Bulls the hardest time were all much better on the interior-Indiana, New York, the Magic*

      Originally posted by Altimus
      Born, Rose ain't going no where and I wouldn't ship him for Melo. We're talking about a guy on the way to possible #1 PG status in the league.
      oh I agree. I'm not suggesting it, just saying that in terms of championship formula, you want to keep the bigs and offense, rather than sacrifice a guy who may be a top 3 interior defender going into the next 10 years. Joakim is good for two playoff wins in a tough series. Meaning, there will likely be two times in any or every playoff series where the opposing team's big man doesn't generate enough offense or efficiency in the one on one matchup to allow that team to function on its best terms. You give that up for Melo, you are guaranteeing a field day for Bosh, Howard, Amar'e and Brook Lopez going into the future. Who knows how those teams will look over the next five to seven year window, but with Noah, you know you're sitting pretty.

      Spoken plainly, Rose/Boozer/Melo cannot beat any of the elite teams in the league in a 7 game series.
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      • Dice
        Sitting by the door
        • Jul 2002
        • 6627

        #888
        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
        Exactly, so don't tell people they're not making any sense just because they don't agree with you when all it really is, is just a matter of what YOU want to believe.

        Only reason why it took 800+ posts is because the first 500-700 Posts were spent talking about where he would end up and not about Carmelo the Player.

        Did you read the article about his "efficient" scoring since you(I believe)along with others were saying that he's an Elite Scorer?
        Yes, I read the "efficient" scoring article. I too can Google articles about Carmelo and post positive articles about his game. Here's one that says that he may be incomplete but that doesn't mean your not elite:
        Read all latest news headlines from USA, UK and around the world, get today's breaking news and live updates on politics, elections, business, sports, economy,​ ...


        We can post articles about Melo all day. You can find the bad, and I'll find the good. But here are the hardcore facts:
        - Melo has the fourth highest career scoring average among active players with at least 5 years in the league(24.7 ppg)
        - He's been to the playoffs every year.
        - He's never been on a loosing team.
        - He's never won a championship(BUT neither has LeBron or Durrant)

        My take on it by looking at raw data and not from an article, if your amongst the top five active players scoring-wise that makes you an elite scorer. BUT that's just me.
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        • Stumbleweed
          Livin' the dream
          • Oct 2006
          • 6279

          #889
          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

          Originally posted by TMagic
          Like a couple others have mentioned, I think his defense has gotten better.

          I think it really is a product of coaching than anything. I am not 100% on this, maybe Stumble can drop some knowledge, but defense never really seemed to be something that was emphasized with Denver prior to 2008-2009 season. It wasn't just Melo, but the whole team that really seemed to just look to create turnovers, get out on the break, and just try to outscore their opponents. Just a lot of matador defense to hurry up and get the ball back to score.

          That season where Billups joined Denver, in the games I saw, he seemed to make more of an effort defensively. Prior to that season, he just played lazy defense. Going for steals instead of just staying in front of his man, and giving half-hearted attempts at contesting shots just to get out on the break. That was not the case that 08-09 season. I really took notice of his defense in the playoffs when he matched up against Kobe and the Lakers. He looked pretty good in that series and was Denvers best defender on Kobe. He made Kobe work.

          So I think Melo definitely has the capability to be a decent, even good defender. But I think it's just going to take coaching to push that upon him which I think Thibs would do in Chicago.


          And I totally get what those that are saying that the removal of Joakim is the problem, in that this would really hurt Chicago defensively. I agree with those sentiments wholeheartedly.

          But my thinking is that they can acquire a player who can rebound and play good defense after the trade. Put aside Joakim's offensive development as you would have Rose-Melo-Boozer to provide the scoring. All you would need is somebody who would give the Bulls a presence on the inside defensively.
          Agreed with all of the above. And yeah, Denver's defensive strategy for years was just to gamble in passing lanes and sag off, switch constantly on screens, etc... it was infuriating to watch most of the time. They actually still do the switching thing too often, but the overall effort has gotten much better since Chauncey (and Afflalo!) have come on.

          King-B-Mack: Melo and Iverson /= Melo, Rose, and Boozer... not even close. Nene is not as good as Boozer, Camby was not as good as Boozer (offensively)... Melo has never had a big man like that along with another premier scoring guard. Iverson and Melo were an elite scoring tandem, but that team was lacking the inside presence to get it done in crunch time, especially with Nene out much of those years and guys like Camby and K-Mart who don't exactly put the fear in a defense as the primary bigs.

          He's actually in a better situation right now than he's even been IMO -- this team is SOLID with Afflalo and Lawson playing great, Shelden Williams being surprisingly capable, and Al Harrington finally providing a big man scoring threat from all over the floor. Once Bird and K-Mart are back, the defense will be very solid and the bench will be ridiculous... I hope he realizes that and sticks around.
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          • King_B_Mack
            All Star
            • Jan 2009
            • 24450

            #890
            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

            Originally posted by Stumbleweed
            King-B-Mack: Melo and Iverson /= Melo, Rose, and Boozer... not even close. Nene is not as good as Boozer, Camby was not as good as Boozer (offensively)... Melo has never had a big man like that along with another premier scoring guard. Iverson and Melo were an elite scoring tandem, but that team was lacking the inside presence to get it done in crunch time, especially with Nene out much of those years and guys like Camby and K-Mart who don't exactly put the fear in a defense as the primary bigs.

            He's actually in a better situation right now than he's even been IMO -- this team is SOLID with Afflalo and Lawson playing great, Shelden Williams being surprisingly capable, and Al Harrington finally providing a big man scoring threat from all over the floor. Once Bird and K-Mart are back, the defense will be very solid and the bench will be ridiculous... I hope he realizes that and sticks around.
            I'm not saying Melo/Iverson was comparable to what things would be with Boozer and Rose, but you said he's never been in a situation where there was a 1A - 1B situation and the scoring load was basically all on him, which is not true at all cause he's had Iverson scoring 20 a game right along with him.

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            • Stumbleweed
              Livin' the dream
              • Oct 2006
              • 6279

              #891
              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

              Even with AI around, Melo was still the focus of the offense and the desired end point for 90% of possessions. AI did his freestyling thing to open up space for him and it seemed to work pretty well for both of them scoring-wise... but that's still a substantively different situation than it would be in Chicago.
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              • ProfessaPackMan
                Bamma
                • Mar 2008
                • 63852

                #892
                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                Originally posted by Dice
                Yes, I read the "efficient" scoring article. I too can Google articles about Carmelo and post positive articles about his game. Here's one that says that he may be incomplete but that doesn't mean your not elite:
                Read all latest news headlines from USA, UK and around the world, get today's breaking news and live updates on politics, elections, business, sports, economy,​ ...


                We can post articles about Melo all day. You can find the bad, and I'll find the good. But here are the hardcore facts:
                - Melo has the fourth highest career scoring average among active players with at least 5 years in the league(24.7 ppg)
                - He's been to the playoffs every year.
                - He's never been on a loosing team.
                - He's never won a championship(BUT neither has LeBron or Durrant)

                My take on it by looking at raw data and not from an article, if your amongst the top five active players scoring-wise that makes you an elite scorer. BUT that's just me.
                I guess.

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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #893
                  Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                  Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                  MJ was a special case, not just because of himself, but Pippen was the best defender at his position during their run. Since the Bulls only had to consistently face one elite big man at the time, their defense generally allowed them to skate. No coincidence that the teams that gave the Bulls the hardest time were all much better on the interior-Indiana, New York, the Magic*



                  oh I agree. I'm not suggesting it, just saying that in terms of championship formula, you want to keep the bigs and offense, rather than sacrifice a guy who may be a top 3 interior defender going into the next 10 years. Joakim is good for two playoff wins in a tough series. Meaning, there will likely be two times in any or every playoff series where the opposing team's big man doesn't generate enough offense or efficiency in the one on one matchup to allow that team to function on its best terms. You give that up for Melo, you are guaranteeing a field day for Bosh, Howard, Amar'e and Brook Lopez going into the future. Who knows how those teams will look over the next five to seven year window, but with Noah, you know you're sitting pretty.

                  Spoken plainly, Rose/Boozer/Melo cannot beat any of the elite teams in the league in a 7 game series.
                  Post pretty much sums up my thoughts. Good post sir.
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                  • bigeastbumrush
                    My Momma's Son
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 19245

                    #894
                    Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                    Originally posted by Altimus
                    Born, Rose ain't going no where and I wouldn't ship him for Melo. We're talking about a guy on the way to possible #1 PG status in the league.
                    ^^Not until he develops a consistent jumper and Rondo decides to retire.

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                    • mKoz26
                      In case you forgot...
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 4685

                      #895
                      Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                      Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                      ^^Not until he develops a consistent jumper and Rondo decides to retire.
                      Oh okay. lol
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                      • King_B_Mack
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 24450

                        #896
                        Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                        Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                        ^^Not until he develops a consistent jumper and Rondo decides to retire.
                        Until Rondo decides to retire? So Rose needs to develop a consistent jumper to get to number 1 point guard status and Rondo can't shoot at all and he's got it?

                        NOTE: I do not think Rose is number 1 in the league at his position or even in the top three at this point.

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                        • Game4fun
                          Rookie
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 201

                          #897
                          Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                          Derick Rose will never be the best point guard in the league and the bulls will never win another championship any time soon there just not good enough. There overrated. Thats My opinion!!!! There gonna lose to the Magic, Heat, Celtics anyway you look at it.

                          If Carmelo goes to NY ( which everybody except Knicks bashers will admit is probably going to happen) will not only team up with Amare but they will probably get Chris Paul because Chris Paul is on record saying there gonna form there own super three. If ( IF, KEY WORD) they sign them, The Knicks have a better foundation and players all over the Board, Carmelo, Amare, Paul, all better then anybody in Chicago's roster. But the Knicks would have to build around them and that's where I can see some problems. Carmelo, Paul, Amare FTW! Hope it happens!

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                          • King_B_Mack
                            All Star
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 24450

                            #898
                            Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                            Originally posted by Game4fun
                            Derick Rose will never be the best point guard in the league and the bulls will never win another championship any time soon there just not good enough. There overrated. Thats My opinion!!!! There gonna lose to the Magic, Heat, Celtics anyway you look at it.

                            If Carmelo goes to NY ( which everybody except Knicks bashers will admit is probably going to happen) will not only team up with Amare but they will probably get Chris Paul because Chris Paul is on record saying there gonna form there own super three. If ( IF, KEY WORD) they sign them, The Knicks have a better foundation and players all over the Board, Carmelo, Amare, Paul, all better then anybody in Chicago's roster. But the Knicks would have to build around them and that's where I can see some problems. Carmelo, Paul, Amare FTW! Hope it happens!
                            Awesome, another post from the future from one of OS' resident time travelers.

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                            • Game4fun
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 201

                              #899
                              Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                              Awesome, another post from the future from one of OS' resident time travelers.
                              Shhh... don't tell anybody

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                              • King_B_Mack
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 24450

                                #900
                                Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

                                Originally posted by Game4fun
                                Shhh... don't tell anybody
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