Carmelo Anthony Traded To New York

[Dice]

Re: The Carmelo Anthony Saga

Derick Rose will never be the best point guard in the league and the bulls will never win another championship any time soon there just not good enough. There overrated. Thats My opinion!!!! There gonna lose to the Magic, Heat, Celtics anyway you look at it.

If Carmelo goes to NY ( which everybody except Knicks bashers will admit is probably going to happen) will not only team up with Amare but they will probably get Chris Paul because Chris Paul is on record saying there gonna form there own super three. If ( IF, KEY WORD) they sign them, The Knicks have a better foundation and players all over the Board, Carmelo, Amare, Paul, all better then anybody in Chicago's roster. But the Knicks would have to build around them and that's where I can see some problems. Carmelo, Paul, Amare FTW! Hope it happens!

WOW! We got people in this thread overrating Melo and Noah. Now here you go with overrating the Bulls? Why are the Bulls overrated? OK, so you made your claim that they won't beat the Magic, Heat nor Celtics. OK? I believe most people agree with you. So how does that make them overrated? Now if there were people saying they were going to win the championship, then yes they could be overrated. But them coming in 4th in the East is what we all expected of the Bulls. You would actually legitimize your argument if you told me that the Bulls was going to finish lower than 4th. I could actually respect you opinion of the Bulls being overrated.

As for the Knicks, I don't care who they get. As long as Mike D'An-Phony is the head coach, they'll never win a championship. He cares nothing about defense so that means he cares nothing about winning championships.

[Game4fun]

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WOW! We got people in this thread overrating Melo and Noah. Now here you go with overrating the Bulls? Why are the Bulls overrated? OK, so you made your claim that they won't beat the Magic, Heat nor Celtics. OK? I believe most people agree with you. So how does that make them overrated? Now if there were people saying they were going to win the championship, then yes they could be overrated. But them coming in 4th in the East is what we all expected of the Bulls. You would actually legitimize your argument if you told me that the Bulls was going to finish lower than 4th. I could actually respect you opinion of the Bulls being overrated.

As for the Knicks, I don't care who they get. As long as Mike D'An-Phony is the head coach, they'll never win a championship. He cares nothing about defense so that means he cares nothing about winning championships.

You had me untill you said he dosent care nothing about defense. I'm 100% sure he cares about defense. That statement in general could have been better described. It's idiotic to think a NBA coach dosent believe in defense. Defense is essential in Basketball games and know games can be won without playing it. ( I thought that is obvious ) Just because anonymous forum experts think a coach does not teach defense or overemphasize it, does not mean he cares nothing about it. gg tonight!

[Bumi]

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^^Not until he develops a consistent jumper and Rondo decides to retire.

Actually, until Chris Paul and Deron Williams decide to retire. But there's a few guards as good as Rose. Rondo, Westbrook, Wall, etc. I'd take Wall and Westbrook over Rose though if I had to choose between the younger guys though.

[TheMatrix31]

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Secret is safe with me future boy. Say hi to Doc and Einey for me.

"Tell me future boy, who's president of the United States in 1985?"

"Ronald Reagan"

"Ronald Reagan, the ACTOR?! Who's Vice President, Jerry Lewis?!"

[Dice]

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You had me untill you said he dosent care nothing about defense. I'm 100% sure he cares about defense. That statement in general could have been better described. It's idiotic to think a NBA coach dosent believe in defense. Defense is essential in Basketball games and know games can be won without playing it. ( I thought that is obvious ) Just because anonymous forum experts think a coach does not teach defense or overemphasize it, does not mean he cares nothing about it. gg tonight!

You do realize out of his 8 years in coaching, his teams never finished higher than 23rd in points allowed. SO in 8 years, ALL of his teams finish in the bottom 3rd in defense. You don't think that's a trend? Going by those numbers, that tells me he cares nothing about it. So what proof do you have to offer that he does care?

[Game4fun]

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You do realize out of his 8 years in coaching, his teams never finished higher than 23rd in points allowed. SO in 8 years, ALL of his teams finish in the bottom 3rd in defense. You don't think that's a trend? Going by those numbers, that tells me he cares nothing about it. So what proof do you have to offer that he does care?

It's just common sense. The way you said it makes no sense. He has some stock in defense but he dosent do a good job at teaching it or making it a point of emphasis. Your not gonna tell me that my coach cares nothing about defense because thats a flat out lie! I don't have to give you any proof, It's so simple I could have understood it when I was 5 years old. In his style of coaching and his history, point to being a poor defensive coach, but don't mistake that with not caring nothing about defense. I agree with most peoples take on him. But thats going to far, Thats saying to me and anybody theat can read between the lines, that he isn't even deserving of being a coach and the Knicks defense is horrible and it will never amount to anything. Again you don't win without defense, he is a offensive coach with a unique style that I don't hate on personally, that I think can win in the NBA but I'm not 100% confident. His style is fun to watch for me personally and I like the fact he likes to run. I like are chances as well with money to spend on Elite players coming out publicly and behind close doors stating they would consider the Knicks (some first choice) Some want to follow other elites. I am eager to see such quality players in his system and approve it personally. So although I agree with some peoples view and understand there doubt, I think it can work and possibly win a championship one day. But I'm a fan of the Knicks and have had far worse coaches and have a hard time having a bad outlook as of right now, with the pontential we have and can have in this system.

[Dice]

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It's just common sense. The way you said it makes no sense. He has some stock in defense but he dosent do a good job at teaching it or making it a point of emphasis. Your not gonna tell me that my coach cares nothing about defense because thats a flat out lie! I don't have to give you any proof, It's so simple I could have understood it when I was 5 years old. In his style of coaching and his history, point to being a poor defensive coach, but don't mistake that with not caring nothing about defense. I agree with most peoples take on him. But thats going to far, Thats saying to me and anybody theat can read between the lines, that he isn't even deserving of being a coach and the Knicks defense is horrible and it will never amount to anything. Again you don't win without defense, he is a offensive coach with a unique style that I don't hate on personally, that I think can win in the NBA but I'm not 100% confident. His style is fun to watch for me personally and I like the fact he likes to run. I like are chances as well with money to spend on Elite players coming out publicly and behind close doors stating they would consider the Knicks (some first choice) Some want to follow other elites. I am eager to see such quality players in his system and approve it personally. So although I agree with some peoples view and understand there doubt, I think it can work and possibly win a championship one day. But I'm a fan of the Knicks and have had far worse coaches and have a hard time having a bad outlook as of right now, with the pontential we have and can have in this system.

You just answered my arguement when you said he doesn't make it a point of emphasis. What coach in the NBA doesn't make defense their number one priority? And I understand your point on someone being a bad defensive coach. But that's not the case for Mike. Kurt Rambis is a bad defensive coach. But I believe I read somewhere in a preseason statement that his team is better densively than offensively. Now that statement was crazy but at least he put emphasis on defense. As with almost evey coach in the league with the exception of Mike. Most of it is lip service but I'd give Mike credit, he doesn't talk about something he doesn't care for. Or as you put it, doesn't emphasis it.

[Game4fun]

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He's a offensive coach. It's his own philosophy, his own style. On his team he likes to run. But just because his focus is on getting up and down the floor does not mean he dosent preach defense. It means he focuses more on offense. How that equals to ignoring defense as a whole is completely untrue. Remember you said he cares nothing about defense, I'm 100% sure you are wrong because defense is such a crucial part of playing basketball. If he didnt care nothing about defense he would tell his players to stop playing D and cherry pick the whole game. It could be said it's on the back burner and is not the focal point of his system, but to say he cares nothing about defense is extreme, BUT whatever it's your opinion and you could be right that he will never develop a championship team, BUT it's not a FACT, and I'm a optimistic fan. Maybe to optimistic, but thats MY outlook.

[NYJets]

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You do realize out of his 8 years in coaching, his teams never finished higher than 23rd in points allowed. SO in 8 years, ALL of his teams finish in the bottom 3rd in defense. You don't think that's a trend? Going by those numbers, that tells me he cares nothing about it. So what proof do you have to offer that he does care?

PPG is not the only way to evaluate defense. When you play at a pace like his teams play at on offense, you are going to score more and give up more.

[Stumbleweed]

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PPG is not the only way to evaluate defense. When you play at a pace like his teams play at on offense, you are going to score more and give up more.

Yep, and D'Antoni's Suns teams were always in the top half of the league (normally Top 10) in terms of defensive efficiency, due in large part to how ridiculous Marion was for those years.

[Game4fun]

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PPG is not the only way to evaluate defense. When you play at a pace like his teams play at on offense, you are going to score more and give up more.

It's absurd to say a NBA coach cares nothing about defense. LMAO. I'm done! Carmelo get ur Butt to the Knicks.

[Dice]

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PPG is not the only way to evaluate defense. When you play at a pace like his teams play at on offense, you are going to score more and give up more.

Well, how about his teams being at the bottom in FG% defense? Yeah, ppg allowed may be a little misleding BUT the opposing teams FG% can still be maintained even if your allowing more shots. The Lakers in the 80's played uptempo but their FG% defense was never at the bottom half.

[TheMatrix31]

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Yep, and D'Antoni's Suns teams were always in the top half of the league (normally Top 10) in terms of defensive efficiency, due in large part to how ridiculous Marion was for those years.

Yep. That's why I cannot STAND when people say the Suns were "omg so bad" defensively.

They weren't the Spurs, but they did what they had to do.

[Vast]

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Yep. That's why I cannot STAND when people say the Suns were "omg so bad" defensively.

They weren't the Spurs, but they did what they had to do.

Whats your assessment of D'Antoni as a coach?

[NYJets]

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Well, how about his teams being at the bottom in FG% defense? Yeah, ppg allowed may be a little misleding BUT the opposing teams FG% can still be maintained even if your allowing more shots. The Lakers in the 80's played uptempo but their FG% defense was never at the bottom half.

From just a quick look at the stats, that might be slightly off because I forget exactly what years he was in Phoenix, shows that their defense FG% was always middle of the pack, usually in the top half of the league, which to me is fine when you are elite offensively. With the Knicks, the defense has been terrible, but nobody was going to be able to coach defense with that personnel. We'll see how it goes now with some shot blockers and some better defenders.