MJ on Kobe Bryant: "I'd Say He's A Top 10 Guard"

[dragonyeuw]

Re: MJ on Kobe Bryant: "I'd Say He's A Top 10 Guard"

Why can't be a combination of the two....the triangle is predicated on equal distribution of the ball, with no one player generally having the opportunity to amass huge assist or other statistical numbers. Furthermore, Kobe is possibly the 2nd greatest scorer of all time, and and breaks triangle often enough, but even when he doesn't has a score 1st pass 2nd mentality.

There's a lot more that goes into real life scenarios than just option A or option B.

Yes, well said. I'm trying to tell this guy that it's not as linear as he's making it to be, but meh I can't be bothered anymore.

[Kashanova]

Re: MJ on Kobe Bryant: "I'd Say He's A Top 10 Guard"

Pippen averaged 7 assists per game in the triangle in 1991-92. Given a offense where he has more freedom to create for his teammates, you can extrapolate that he'd get more assists than 7. Anyways, I can tell from our conversation that you won't understand that point.

Anyways, not interested anymore in debating with you after this. Your line of thinking is too linear on this issue to really understand what's being said. What you fail to realize in your Lebron-Kobe comparison is not only does Lebron have the offense running completely through him, he's basically the only player on the Cavs who was essentially capable of making plays for others. Mo Williams isn't a traditional point guard, more of a shooting guard in a point guard's body. And he is an average playmaker at best when it comes to setting the table for others. One of Lebron's strengths is passing, in fact his passing was more highly regarded than anything else coming out of high school, hence the Magic Johnson comparisons. So the Cavs offense was tailored to essentially give him the ball, and have full control of running all the plays. It's pretty easy to imagine him getting 8-9 assists a game in that situation.

By comparison, let's look at the triangle. Pau Gasol gets about 4 assists in the triangle. Kobe gets about 5. Odom gets about 3. Fisher gets 3. The triangle is designed to spread assists around based on the kind of offense it is, not have all the assists come from one person dominating the ball. It's also the kind of offense that needs certain personnel to run it effectively as I said earlier, essentially multi-dimensional players. Despite the clear evidence, I know you won't accept that because you wish to hold onto your own views, which is your prerogative, but this is the last time I'll be engaging you on this.



That was a good read. Despite that, Kashanova will refuse to accept it and hold onto his ideals about the triangle offense. Oh well.....

oh geesh I don't know how you get into my head, your like psychic or something....


anyways only reason I brong up lebron and mo williams was because you brought up kobe getting more assists then derek fisher and said "show me another offense that has a player average more than the point guard blah blah"

also as of now lebron has 7 assists per game and the offense isn't built to go through him with wade and bosh there.

[dragonyeuw]

Re: MJ on Kobe Bryant: "I'd Say He's A Top 10 Guard"

oh geesh I don't know how you get into my head

Not a place I wish to be.

anyways only reason I brong up lebron and mo williams was because you brought up kobe getting more assists then derek fisher and said "show me another offense that has a player average more than the point guard blah blah"

I didn't say SHOW me an offense, I said HOW MANY offenses have someone other than the point guard lead the team in assists. I didn't say it was impossible, I'm more or less saying it's not the norm. For all purposes, Lebron was the Cavs point guard, despite 'officially' being listed at small forward. He just also happened to be their best scorer. Hell, he was their best everything, really.

Anyways, I'm bored.

[ParisB]

Re: MJ on Kobe Bryant: "I'd Say He's A Top 10 Guard"

oh geesh I don't know how you get into my head, your like psychic or something....


anyways only reason I brong up lebron and mo williams was because you brought up kobe getting more assists then derek fisher and said "show me another offense that has a player average more than the point guard blah blah"

also as of now lebron has 7 assists per game and the offense isn't built to go through him with wade and bosh there.

while I appreciate your passion (or hate/ignorance for Kobe) you sure fail to grasp the intricacies of basketball

[Kashanova]

Re: MJ on Kobe Bryant: "I'd Say He's A Top 10 Guard"

while I appreciate your passion (or hate/ignorance for Kobe) you sure fail to grasp the intricacies of basketball

That would be a highly false statement, fact is everyone has their own opinion on the matter.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: MJ on Kobe Bryant: "I'd Say He's A Top 10 Guard"

Phil wants people to stop with comparing anybody to MJ:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-simers-phil-jackson-20110313,0,7473272,full.column

"I hope I have no regrets about coming back this year. When I saw how Kobe was struggling physically last year, Fish [Derek Fisher] was getting older," and then he stops himself and brings the conversation back to Bryant.

"Kobe was really hurt; people don't give him enough credit. He's a remarkable person, remarkable."

"Do you like him?" I ask.

"It's not about liking him," he says. "It's about admiring his courage. There's only one individual I know that's like that, and that's Michael Jordan.

"Kobe has patterned himself after Michael, and there are a lot of identical things there, but it's one thing to hope to be like him, it's another thing to be like him."

So when Jackson's next book comes out, and it will, will Jackson reveal who he thinks was best — Jordan or Bryant?

"I'm with [ESPN's] Bill Simmons on this," he says. "We have to take Michael Jordan out of the equation. Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It's just not fair. He was remarkable. Kobe's in his own sphere.

"He doesn't shoot the same percentage [.455] as Michael [.497]. He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he's not the same player. It takes nothing away from him — he's a great player in his own right."

[jeebs9]

I hate Kobe shot selection... I've always thought he could get better shot. But oh well...

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[Kil]

Re: MJ on Kobe Bryant: "I'd Say He's A Top 10 Guard"

I LOVE Jordan...