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  • ParisB
    MVP
    • Jan 2010
    • 1699

    #61
    Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

    Originally posted by PrettyT11
    ParisB nobody is saying Rose is as good of a PG as them. I have stated many times, most recently in the PG thread that is up now, that CP3 and Deron are the top two PG's in the game. But FYI it is not explosiveness or speed as the reason why most say they are the two best. It is because they have the complete package. They can shoot, score, pass, rebound, and play D. That is why they are at the top.

    If you want to believe they are more explosive than Rose though be my guess. Nobody is saying they don't have any explosion it is that Rose is on another level. But please don't bring some clip of Deron dunks and try to compare them to Rose. He wasn't getting very high over the rim at all. Those was very basic dunks. You need to come better than that if you are trying to convince somebody that he is more explosive than Rose. Again show me either of those guys doing things like this. This first dunk is far beyond anything either of those guys have done

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    Or this from the other day vs the Knicks. Deron and Paul haven't done anything like this
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    Lastly just to show you how nasty this dude is just look at this. This is a 6'3" man off of a drop step. Again show me them two guys doing anything like this and then we can talk about explosiveness.
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    Looks like you are completely misinterpreting what "explosive" means. Your argument should just be Rose has flashier dunks. You're better off arguing that Shannon Brown is the most explosive player in the league if you're focusing on hops and quality of in-game dunks.

    With the ball, in terms of speed, power, ability to change directions, stop on a dime, explode from a stop to full speed....Deron and CP3 are in a league of their own. The very definition of explosive point guards.

    You should probably just stick that Rose is the best dunking point guard...like Steve Francis was.

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    • J-Unit40
      Boom!!
      • Sep 2005
      • 8261

      #62
      Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

      1. Rose
      2. Lawson
      3. Wall
      4. Ellis
      5. Paul
      Last edited by J-Unit40; 11-14-2010, 06:09 PM.
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      • Altimus
        Chelsea, Assemble!
        • Nov 2004
        • 27283

        #63
        Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

        Anyone saying that Rose is not an explosive PG has not seen him play enough or just refuses to see it that way.

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        • ex carrabba fan
          I'll thank him for you
          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #64
          Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

          Originally posted by ParisB
          Looks like you are completely misinterpreting what "explosive" means. Your argument should just be Rose has flashier dunks. You're better off arguing that Shannon Brown is the most explosive player in the league if you're focusing on hops and quality of in-game dunks.

          With the ball, in terms of speed, power, ability to change directions, stop on a dime, explode from a stop to full speed....Deron and CP3 are in a league of their own. The very definition of explosive point guards.

          You should probably just stick that Rose is the best dunking point guard...like Steve Francis was.


          OK guy.

          Rose is just as explosive at changing directions and quick speed bursts as anyone in the league. CP3 and Williams are not that much more explosive if at all.

          Not sure if you watch the Bulls play or not..

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          • NC State-31 UNC-27
            MVP
            • Nov 2007
            • 1525

            #65
            Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

            It's Rose/Lawson/Wall then everyone else

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            • ut_jazz
              Banned
              • Aug 2010
              • 325

              #66
              Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

              Guys that have given D-Will some problem with their speed - Ty Lawson, Johnny Flynn, Tony Parker. I'm surprised D-rose is voted that high and I've yet to see John Wall in NBA action.

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              • King_B_Mack
                All Star
                • Jan 2009
                • 24451

                #67
                Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

                Originally posted by ut_jazz
                Guys that have given D-Will some problem with their speed - Ty Lawson, Johnny Flynn, Tony Parker. I'm surprised D-rose is voted that high and I've yet to see John Wall in NBA action.
                What exactly are some of you dudes smoking in here? Derrick Rose is suddenly out there playing in cement shoes that dudes are seriously questioning his speed and putting D-Will and CP3 on top of him and Wall and Lawson and Harris by a huge margin? This isn't a question of best PGs but fastest.

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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #68
                  Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

                  Nobody but me has mentioned Harris at all. I'm actually kinda shocked by that considering in the other thread, nearly everyone had mentioned his name but now all of a sudden it's Wall, Lawson, Rose and THEN no one else, even though my man has the World Record for it(has to count for SOMETHING).
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                  • King_B_Mack
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 24451

                    #69
                    Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

                    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                    Nobody but me has mentioned Harris at all. I'm actually kinda shocked by that considering in the other thread, nearly everyone had mentioned his name but now all of a sudden it's Wall, Lawson, Rose and THEN no one else, even though my man has the World Record for it(has to count for SOMETHING).
                    On the one hand, I hear you about Harris Pack, but on the other the World Record thing doesn't really count for that much considering he set it back in 09 when Rose was a rookie and Wall and Lawson weren't even in the league. Also that wasn't a pre-existing record that he broke or anything, he's the first person recorded doing it as part of the All-Star festivities. So yeah, dude is definitely fast and should be considered when talking about this subject as he's at the very least in the top five of the discussion, but basing it off a record that no one else has even attempted to try to get, that he specifically set ain't really saying much.

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                    • KG
                      Welcome Back
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 17583

                      #70
                      Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

                      Harris is definitely fast but there really isn't a way to measure any of this besides the eye test. It's not like these guys are gonna line up on the track and go at it.
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                      • OSUFan_88
                        Outback Jesus
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 25642

                        #71
                        Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

                        Originally posted by ParisB
                        Deron and CP3 are in a league of their own. The very definition of explosive point guards.
                        You got jokes, I see.

                        Seriously, Deron Williams? Deron Williams of the Utah Jazz?

                        That dude has the definition of average or above average athleticism. I cannot believe he's even being argued here, though. If we are talking about basketball talent, I'd put Deron right up there, but physical abilities, he's mediocre for a point guard.
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                        Urban Meyer is lol.

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                        • st0rmb11
                          All Star
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 5167

                          #72
                          Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

                          how about as a part of the All-Star festivities this year, they let the fans vote for 5 point guards we want to see in a end to end contest and see once and for all who it is.

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                          Comment

                          • KG
                            Welcome Back
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 17583

                            #73
                            Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

                            Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                            You got jokes, I see.

                            Seriously, Deron Williams? Deron Williams of the Utah Jazz?

                            That dude has the definition of average or above average athleticism. I cannot believe he's even being argued here, though. If we are talking about basketball talent, I'd put Deron right up there, but physical abilities, he's mediocre for a point guard.
                            I don't think he's explosive but he's above average in terms of physical abilities. 1st step is quick, changes direction with speed + POWER better than anyone and is strong as hell. He just doesn't have the pure speed or jump out of the gym aspect. Let him get a running start and he can body-to-body with a lot of bigs.
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                            • King_B_Mack
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 24451

                              #74
                              Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

                              For ParisB

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                              Just sayin..
                              Last edited by King_B_Mack; 11-15-2010, 12:21 PM.

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                              • OSUFan_88
                                Outback Jesus
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 25642

                                #75
                                Re: Fastest Guy (With The Ball) In The League

                                Originally posted by KG
                                I don't think he's explosive but he's above average in terms of physical abilities. 1st step is quick, changes direction with speed + POWER better than anyone and is strong as hell. He just doesn't have the pure speed or jump out of the gym aspect. Let him get a running start and he can body-to-body with a lot of bigs.
                                That's what I said, but he belongs nowhere in the discussion of the most athletic.
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                                Urban Meyer is lol.

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