11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

**Bornindamecca** · 11-28-2010, 01:31 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by BlueNGold

That's the thing though. Are they really built for the postseason? With that lack of bigs, I really don't think they are. A team like the Celtics would just expose them so badly.

I stated my opinion on that when this team was announced, but now they just have to play the games.

**BlueNGold** · 11-28-2010, 01:31 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by OSUFan_88

But it's still the same style, it's just not working because he doesn't have the shooters that he had in Cleveland.

LeBron is going to keep pounding the ball and shooting hero shots rather than going into the paint and be the Magic style point forward he should be. Dude is SO obsessed with being "like Mike" that he is totally ignoring what he does best.

LeBron needs a Larry Brown right now. Someone to put him in his place, tell him to shut up and just play the game that suits his talents.

Or Pat Riley.....

**Bornindamecca** · 11-28-2010, 01:34 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by OSUFan_88

But it's still the same style, it's just not working because he doesn't have the shooters that he had in Cleveland.

LeBron is going to keep pounding the ball and shooting hero shots rather than going into the paint and be the Magic style point forward he should be. Dude is SO obsessed with being "like Mike" that he is totally ignoring what he does best.

LeBron needs a Larry Brown right now. Someone to put him in his place, tell him to shut up and just play the game that suits his talents.

Lebron started ignoring his best abilities in a big way against the Magic in the playoffs two years ago. Lots of enabling going on in Cleveland for reasons discussed to exhaustion in the Lebron thread.

if only there were a type A personality strong minded coach with a history of winning in Miami.

Oh wait....

**Moses Shuttlesworth** · 11-28-2010, 01:36 AM

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Am I the only one who thinks the issues in Miami are beyond just poor coaching?

**BlueNGold** · 11-28-2010, 01:40 AM

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About Rip Hamilton to the Bulls....really the only pieces the Bulls could trade would be James Johnson, Asik, Gibson and Deng. At least until December 15th when the free agent restriction is removed.

Looking at that, I don't think the Pistons would take Deng, I don't think the Bulls would trade Gibson and Johnson/Asik wouldn't be enough IMO. If they were to somehow get Rip, it would probably have to be a 3 teamer.

I would love to see it happen though. I think Rip would be a perfect fit on the Bulls, which is why I'm even going through all these possibilities even though this isn't even a rumor lol.

**BlueNGold** · 11-28-2010, 01:42 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth

Am I the only one who thinks the issues in Miami are beyond just poor coaching?

No, it isn't just poor coaching. But IMO Riley getting back on the bench would fix the issue of LeBron/Wade/Bosh playing like garbage and it would hopefully put LeBron in his place.

**rangerrick012** · 11-28-2010, 01:46 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by OSUFan_88

Heat Locker Room is still closed. It's 40 minutes after the game.

I feel so bad for Spo. Dude doesn't deserve this headache.

From Marc Stein's Twitter:

Heat hold players-only meeting for 30 mins after loss in Dallas. If you say you expected this much desperation after 17 games ... you lyin 12 minutes ago via ÜberTwitter

**Dewie12** · 11-28-2010, 01:48 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Dice

I don't know about that. Tyreke is a player you just don't trade just to be trading. Evans has potential to be a franchise player. And those types of players are not easy to come by.

Originally posted by BlueNGold

Not a chance. Tyreke IS their franchise. He just needs to be surrounded by better shooters.

Is Tyreke better than Kevin Martin? He was their franchise player.

Me personally I like Kevin Martin better because he can play with a DeMarcus Cousins or at least fit in with other players better.

Tyreke as a franchise player is true. But his game is tough to build around. He isn't real great at setting up other players. His game lacks an effeciency of motion that guys like Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook have. Tyreke dribbles a lot.

I just feel if Tyreke Evans is your franchise player, your franchise is probably lottery bound.

**Dewie12** · 11-28-2010, 01:53 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by OSUFan_88

But it's still the same style, it's just not working because he doesn't have the shooters that he had in Cleveland.

LeBron is going to keep pounding the ball and shooting hero shots rather than going into the paint and be the Magic style point forward he should be. Dude is SO obsessed with being "like Mike" that he is totally ignoring what he does best.

LeBron needs a Larry Brown right now. Someone to put him in his place, tell him to shut up and just play the game that suits his talents.

Its not just LeBron though. Wade does the same things, but his effort is even worse. Wade shows up some nights other nights he is nowhere to be seen (and this was happening before LeBron and Bosh came down there).

This team is flawed. People have been saying it from the beginning. They can win one way, that is to up tempo the game so their half court offense and defense isn't exposed. They need to play Nellie ball.

**iAM-IncReDiBLe-** · 11-28-2010, 02:00 AM

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Imo the problem is Wade an Lebron should not be on the same team. They are not catch an shoot guys. They are meant to play with the ball in their hands at all times. You just can't do that with them on the same team. People say how talentless the team in Cleveland was, they built that team around Lebron almost perfectly. He was surrounded by shooters so he can do what he does best. Drive an dish to a shooter. So unless Wade or Lebron becomes a Rip Hamilton type player I just don't see this working out in the long run. They are ball dominant guys an it just not good right now. If Bosh would have just teamed up by himself with Wade this team would have been much better off.

**l3ulvl** · 11-28-2010, 02:00 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Dewie12

Is Tyreke better than Kevin Martin? He was their franchise player.

Me personally I like Kevin Martin better because he can play with a DeMarcus Cousins or at least fit in with other players better.

Tyreke as a franchise player is true. But his game is tough to build around. He isn't real great at setting up other players. His game lacks an effeciency of motion that guys like Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook have. Tyreke dribbles a lot.

I just feel if Tyreke Evans is your franchise player, your franchise is probably lottery bound.

Wait, Martin plays for the Rockets right?

**Bornindamecca** · 11-28-2010, 02:01 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth

Am I the only one who thinks the issues in Miami are beyond just poor coaching?

Of course not. WaBrosh taking up almost all of the cap and not having complimentary skills was a hotly debated topic. Now we're seeing the counter argument to "with that much talent, you just figure it out." Interior D, PG play, who gets the ball at the end, how you spread the floor with two ball dominant players who shoot poorly on the catch and from range. Depth. Health. These are not issues that came by surprise. This was the crux of the debate over the summer.

The overwhelming thing for this team is the speed of the game. Miami can put up very quick points because of their speed and ability to finish at the rim. A slower game becomes about halfcourt execution, passing, medium range jumpers and fewer possessions, and a lesser talented but more skilled team can beat them Eurostyle. This is a big problem with Boston likely to have homecourt advantage, as they excel at all of these areas.

**Dewie12** · 11-28-2010, 02:03 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by l3ulvl

Wait, Martin plays for the Rockets right?

Yup. Traded away after Tyreke put up 20-5-5 as a rook. But was it the right move....

**l3ulvl** · 11-28-2010, 02:05 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Dewie12

Yup. Traded away after Tyreke put up 20-5-5 as a rook. But was it the right move....

Ohh I got u now, my mistake

**Dewie12** · 11-28-2010, 02:06 AM

Re: 11/22-11/28 Game Discussion Thread

Originally posted by kng23rich

Imo the problem is Wade an Lebron should not be on the same team. They are not catch an shoot guys. They are meant to play with the ball in their hands at all times. You just can't do that with them on the same team. People say how talentless the team in Cleveland was, they built that team around Lebron almost perfectly. He was surrounded by shooters so he can do what he does best. Drive an dish to a shooter. So unless Wade or Lebron becomes a Rip Hamilton type player I just don't see this working out in the long run. They are ball dominant guys an it just not good right now. If Bosh would have just teamed up by himself with Wade this team would have been much better off.

Great point.

I think Wade and LeBron can play on the same team but they will lose if they play in the half court. It is much easier to guard players like LeBron and Wade in the half court.

In the playoffs the Heat will have to face either the Magic, Celtics or Bulls. All of them do a great job smothering half court teams but are vulnerable against teams that can run.

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