Overachievers and underachievers?

[3rdAnswer]

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DJ Augustin.

If he was playing on a playoff team right now you'd see what he's doing.

[cubsball899]

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DJ Augustin.

If he was playing on a playoff team right now you'd see what he's doing.

they made the playoffs last year with raymond felton running the point...

[travis72]

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I went into this thread thinking of Vince Carter for underachiever. As good as he was, he had the opportunity to be so much more.

Exactly what I was going to put. A force when he wanted to be but to lazy to show up every night. The desire just never seem to be there when it mattered the most.

[ParisB]

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Odom really could've been so much more. When the ceiling your skills give you is the best player in the league and you settle for 3rd best player on a 2 time championship team then yes you're an underachiever. I don't understand what championships have to do with whether or not you're an over or underachiever as a player. Rasheed won a championship and he's still an underachiever for the skills he had. Bill Walton has 2 championships, a 6th man, an MVP, NBA 50 greatest, and a HOF induction but Walton still greatly underachieved due to his injuries.

That's a naive way to look at it. Put Lebron on the current Lakers, and he would be 3rd option too. Lamar isn't "settling". He's filling his role perfectly. He's a versatile 6'10" player with an enormous wingspan that can play point, SF, or PF. He does a little of everything, most of the time. As I said in my previous post, you can't quesiton his work ethic. I think this is the player he is and he's at his ceiling.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Odom really could've been so much more. When the ceiling your skills give you is the best player in the league and you settle for 3rd best player on a 2 time championship team then yes you're an underachiever. I don't understand what championships have to do with whether or not you're an over or underachiever as a player. Rasheed won a championship and he's still an underachiever for the skills he had. Bill Walton has 2 championships, a 6th man, an MVP, NBA 50 greatest, and a HOF induction but Walton still greatly underachieved due to his injuries.

Settled for 3rd best player?

LMAO. He didn't settle for ****, Pau and Kobe are worlds better than Odom and that has nothing to do with Odom underachieving.

Odom simply isn't the type of player to play the role of Batman or even Robin. His skill set has never made him into an unstoppable force even if he did apply himself more. He's more of a complimentary type player much more than a primary option.

Just because he can do a bit of everything [dribble, shoot, slash] and is tall doesn't automatically mean he should have been the best player in the league. I could understand if he actually showed flashes of MVP type seasons but he never has, so why in the hell would you expect him to be that guy?

Vince Carter at least showed flashes of MVP type years. Odom has always been a jack of all trades, but people look at that the wrong way and think he should have been an automatic Hall of Fame lock. It's funny.

Like I said, he may be a bit of an underachiever, but he certainly wasn't destined to be a Batman if you look at his skill set. He just isn't built for that he isn't built to dominate basketball games on a consistent basis.

He was always destined to be a perfect third wheel.

[asdf3]

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Dwyane Wade. No one ever thought he would be this good coming out of college. Being overshadowed by Melo and Bron sure did help. He's overcome injuries and had one of the best seasons for a guard ever in 2008-2009.

[thaprodigyisback]

Darius Miles=Underachiever KG=Overachiever

[Taur3asi3]

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You don't think he was capable skill-wise of being a Batman or at the very least in contention for top player in the game and that's fine, I do. I watched Odom with the Heat and he'd show these flashes of brilliance and greatness and for one game once in a while he'd put all his skills together and look like the best in the league but for whatever reason he never sustained it and other night's he'd cripple the team with his stupidity. I've never been more frustrated by a player in my life.

You're right though Odom's destiny probably all along was to be a third wheel but that has nothing to do with talent and skills. Maybe the phrase "all the tools and no tool box" fits Odom better than anything else.

But good for Odom he's the 6th man and 3rd wheel on a 2 time defending championship team, he can eat all the candy he wants, live on the beach, and by time he's done he'll have cleared well over 100 million and put in probably near 20 years of service.

Agree to disagree I guess.

[Cebby]

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Settled for 3rd best player?

LMAO. He didn't settle for ****, Pau and Kobe are worlds better than Odom and that has nothing to do with Odom underachieving.

Odom simply isn't the type of player to play the role of Batman or even Robin. His skill set has never made him into an unstoppable force even if he did apply himself more. He's more of a complimentary type player much more than a primary option.

Just because he can do a bit of everything [dribble, shoot, slash] and is tall doesn't automatically mean he should have been the best player in the league. I could understand if he actually showed flashes of MVP type seasons but he never has, so why in the hell would you expect him to be that guy?

Vince Carter at least showed flashes of MVP type years. Odom has always been a jack of all trades, but people look at that the wrong way and think he should have been an automatic Hall of Fame lock. It's funny.

Like I said, he may be a bit of an underachiever, but he certainly wasn't destined to be a Batman if you look at his skill set. He just isn't built for that he isn't built to dominate basketball games on a consistent basis.

He was always destined to be a perfect third wheel.

I agree with you.

Odom does a lot of things well enough, but he can't do any of them at a #1 player level. He's a great #3, but if you're asking him to carry the burden of the team you're going to end up drafting a #1 in the top 5 the next year.

[st0rmb11]

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I see Vince Carter as an underachiever.
Dwight Howard as an underachiever.

Steve Nash as an overachiever.
and Brandon Roy as an overachiever.

[PrettyT11]

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Dwight Howard as an underachiever.

How exactly is Dwight an underachiever??

[The15thunter]

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How exactly is Dwight an underachiever??

because he is the best center in the nba, and he's not that good.

[HHHRVD55]

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Howard is an underachiever because he has the skills and the size to average at least 24 points a game but he just can't do it for some reason.

Ronnie Price is an overachiever.

[ParisB]

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Howard is an underachiever because he has the skills and the size to average at least 24 points a game but he just can't do it for some reason.

Ronnie Price is an overachiever.

He's averaging around 20, and Orlando is one of the highest scoring teams in the NBA. What more do you want from him? Isn't he only like 24 still? People forget that already. It's not like Shaq had a polished game at that age.

[The15thunter]

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He's averaging around 20, and Orlando is one of the highest scoring teams in the NBA. What more do you want from him? Isn't he only like 24 still? People forget that already. It's not like Shaq had a polished game at that age.

shaq is an underachiever, as well.

howard, for all of his gifts and that system, should be producing at a much higher clip. he does not have the mind to do it, it's not about his ability or natural gifts.