Overachievers and underachievers?

[ex carrabba fan]

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Shaq is an underachiever?

You guys are really harsh lol. He was pretty much the most dominant force in modern basketball or perhaps ever for that matter, for several years.

Sure he came in overweight towards the last stretch of his career but you guys are really reaching with whom you consider underachievers.

Theoretically by the logic in this thread, 95% of the NBA are underachievers. These guys aren't robots This isn't a video game.

If anything Shaq should be characterized as a terrible free throw shooter with a propensity to come into camp overweight. Other than that his accolades, stats and rings speak for themselves.

LOL, Jesus.

[ParisB]

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shaq is an underachiever, as well.

howard, for all of his gifts and that system, should be producing at a much higher clip. he does not have the mind to do it, it's not about his ability or natural gifts.

I'm not trying to be harsh or flaming you, but who are you to tell us he doesn't have the mind to do it? He's towards the top in many statistical categories and is arguably the most single most dominant defensive presence in the NBA currently.

What kind of clip do you want him producing? He's 25, averaging 21ppg, 13rbp, and 3bpg. He might not be the most talented offensive player, but that doesn't make him an underachiever just because he has an olympic body.

If anything, you can say he's overachieving due to being able to score and contribute on offense with limited polish.

I guess I can say that Rondo is an underachiever. He has no excuse not being able to hit an outside shot as a guard. He must not have the work ethic, he can be so much more.

[ex carrabba fan]

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It was only a matter of time before Rondo's name was brought up

I would actually consider him an overachiever for now because nobody expected him to put up these kinds of numbers coming out of college or to look this good granted he's playing with a lot of talent.

He showed extreme skill when KG was hurt two years ago in the playoffs. He's been Boston's best player for the past two years. I mean without a jump shot to keep the defender honest he still puts up pretty impressive numbers, I'd say that's overachieving.

Also I think you have the wrong idea of what an underachiever is, if you think Rondo fits the category. Like I said you guys are all under a false impression of the term by your "logic". It's like everyone is supposed to be a perfect player

[ParisB]

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I was being sarcastic with the Rondo statement

I think calling Howard or Shaq underachievers is a big yikes...

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Overachievers and underachievers?

I was being sarcastic with the Rondo statement

I think calling Howard or Shaq underachievers is a big yikes...

[The15thunter]

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Shaq is an underachiever?

You guys are really harsh lol. He was pretty much the most dominant force in modern basketball or perhaps ever for that matter, for several years.

Sure he came in overweight towards the last stretch of his career but you guys are really reaching with whom you consider underachievers.

Theoretically by the logic in this thread, 95% of the NBA are underachievers. These guys aren't robots This isn't a video game.

If anything Shaq should be characterized as a terrible free throw shooter with a propensity to come into camp overweight. Other than that his accolades, stats and rings speak for themselves.

LOL, Jesus.

i'm not trying to be harsh on shaq, he accomplished a ton of things in the nba, for certain. however, much of what he did was because of natural ability and sheer force. that is to say, had he worked hard on his game or his body, his dominance would have either lasted longer or been even greater, which is hard to fathom.

i consider him an underachiever because he was like the kid in class who didn't study, didn't pay attention in class, and cracked jokes that made everyone like him. then, when the grades come out, he gets a b+ because he's naturally able to do well in the class. of course, b+ is great, but you have to wonder what it would be like if he applied himself all the time.

i recognize this because that's how i was in school.

[The15thunter]

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I'm not trying to be harsh or flaming you, but who are you to tell us he doesn't have the mind to do it? He's towards the top in many statistical categories and is arguably the most single most dominant defensive presence in the NBA currently.

What kind of clip do you want him producing? He's 25, averaging 21ppg, 13rbp, and 3bpg. He might not be the most talented offensive player, but that doesn't make him an underachiever just because he has an olympic body.

If anything, you can say he's overachieving due to being able to score and contribute on offense with limited polish.

I guess I can say that Rondo is an underachiever. He has no excuse not being able to hit an outside shot as a guard. He must not have the work ethic, he can be so much more.

i don't really understand your question in regards to "who am i to tell" you about howard's mind. i'm just a fan like everyone else. if you think he's exhibited the willpower, determination and mental fortitude to take over games at will or when his team needs him most, then that's fine. for me, that's not something i've seen him do. i haven't seen him decide his team isn't losing tonight against a team as good or better than his and follow through.

to be fair, perhaps i jumped the gun. maybe dwight is just an achiever, since he's essentially doing what he should be doing with his size and athletic ability. i'm hard on big men like shaq and dwight because they're blessed with so many gifts that the greats didn't have, but i feel they could do much more. there's no reason that dwight is basically a really big, really athletic version of serge ibaka.

[Po Pimp]

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Rasheed Wallace = Underachiever

[deathsai]

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i don't really understand your question in regards to "who am i to tell" you about howard's mind. i'm just a fan like everyone else. if you think he's exhibited the willpower, determination and mental fortitude to take over games at will or when his team needs him most, then that's fine. for me, that's not something i've seen him do. i haven't seen him decide his team isn't losing tonight against a team as good or better than his and follow through.

to be fair, perhaps i jumped the gun. maybe dwight is just an achiever, since he's essentially doing what he should be doing with his size and athletic ability. i'm hard on big men like shaq and dwight because they're blessed with so many gifts that the greats didn't have, but i feel they could do much more. there's no reason that dwight is basically a really big, really athletic version of serge ibaka.

In this topic, overachieving/underachieving is based entirely on PPG.

[JBH3]

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Lamar may be an "underachiever" but he certainly doesn't have a bad work ethic.

Nah...he just eats too much candy.

I went into this thread thinking of Vince Carter for underachiever. As good as he was, he had the opportunity to be so much more.

VC takes the gold.

I'd also consider Stephen Jackson an underachiever. Leaving San Ant he was promised a bright career that turned malovelent following the Palace Brawl, then his trading to Golden St, then his eventual forced departure from there. The Bobcats then proceed to earn their first playoff berth last season, but are again in the East abyss despite a good amount of talent that should at least secure an 8th seed in the East.

Stephen Jackson for silver?