Top 5 Point Guards of All Time

[ParisB]

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Probably stud players like Carlos Arroyo and etc.

No, try again.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Devin Harris or Steph Curry eh.

Yep I'm still laughing.

The tier system is much more reasonable, and Rondo is in the 2nd tier. To say a PG is outright better than another PG is extremely misguided and shortsighted, unless we're talking CP3 or Williams and I guess Derrick Rose, although I'm hesitant still on him to put him in the same breath as the first two.

[ParisB]

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Devin Harris or Steph Curry eh.

Yep I'm still laughing.

The tier system is much more reasonable, and Rondo is in the 2nd tier. To say a PG is outright better than another PG is extremely misguided and shortsighted, unless we're talking CP3 or Williams and I guess Derrick Rose, although I'm hesitant still on him to put him in the same breath as the first two.

Yea, and I laugh when people put Rondo in the "top tier". If you want to do it that way, then my top tier is CP3 and Deron and then everybody else. Rose and Parker are on the bubble, and guys like Westbrook are climbing fast (talk about a better version of Rondo).

[ex carrabba fan]

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Westbrook a better version of Rondo? How so? Westbrook and Rondo play nowhere near similar.

My tiers would be:

CP3/Williams/Nash
Rose/Westbrook/Parker/Rondo

At worst I have Rondo 7th overall, but like I said it's tough judging who is a better PG overall considering that it's a unique position, and depending on team needs the role vastly changes.

Oh well, Rondo will never get respect until he proves it on another team without the 3 HOFers. I understand that. What I don't understand is how people look at his jump shot/FT shooting and overlook all of the positive things he does. His skill set is special.

[Subversion]

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Are these lists put up by kids born in the mid 90s or what...

Top 5 all-time -

Pete Maravich
Gary Payton
John Stockton
Magic Johnson
Isaiah Thomas


This list is based on scoring ability and passing ability. These point guards could take over games, score 40+ or dish out insane amounts of assists. They had low turnover/assist ratios and had probably the highest basketball IQ's known.

[Maccy46]

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I'm only going on players that i have seen which would be much less than most of you guys due to lack of coverage over here.

1. Payton
2. Stockton
3. T.Hardaway
4. Kidd
5. Nash

[ParisB]

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Are these lists put up by kids born in the mid 90s or what...

Top 5 all-time -

Pete Maravich
Gary Payton
John Stockton
Magic Johnson
Isaiah Thomas


This list is based on scoring ability and passing ability. These point guards could take over games, score 40+ or dish out insane amounts of assists. They had low turnover/assist ratios and had probably the highest basketball IQ's known.

That's a great list.

I just can't put Rondo anywhere near a top of all time list. He barely qualifies top 10 in today's game, let alone of all time. But you nailed it with that. Those guys can take over games and had no glaring weaknesses. They were "the man" on their teams and you had to do your best as a team to contain them.

[WizardJay]

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I can't believe how i see russell westbrook and rondo over Magic they shouldn't even be in the discussion yet.

[HHHRVD55]

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Are these lists put up by kids born in the mid 90s or what...

Top 5 all-time -

Pete Maravich
Gary Payton
John Stockton
Magic Johnson
Isaiah Thomas


This list is based on scoring ability and passing ability. These point guards could take over games, score 40+ or dish out insane amounts of assists. They had low turnover/assist ratios and had probably the highest basketball IQ's known.

Based on scoring ability and passing ability, that is a very good list. However, if you account for team success, than Pistol Pete isn't near the top. Neither is Payton.

[parker987]

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Based on scoring ability and passing ability, that is a very good list. However, if you account for team success, than Pistol Pete isn't near the top. Neither is Payton.

If your account for team success, then John Stockton might not be on the list too

[HHHRVD55]

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If your account for team success, then John Stockton might not be on the list too

Made the playoffs every year of his career, finals twice, had eleven 50-win seasons, three 60-win seasons, and never won less than 41 games in a season his whole career...yes, he never won a title, but the Jazz were extremely successful while Stockton played.

[x_NBA_x]

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In no specific order;

Magic Johnson,
Isaiah Thomas,
Jason Kidd,
John Stockton,
Oscar Robertson.

[PrettyT11]

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Based on scoring ability and passing ability, that is a very good list. However, if you account for team success, than Pistol Pete isn't near the top. Neither is Payton.

Made the playoffs every year of his career, finals twice, had eleven 50-win seasons, three 60-win seasons, and never won less than 41 games in a season his whole career...yes, he never won a title, but the Jazz were extremely successful while Stockton played.

Man you can't sit here and take up for Stockton's ringless team success and knock Payton's at the same time. Payton was in the Playoffs 10 out of 12 years with the Sonics, lead them to a NBA Finals,three 60 win seasons, and never won less than 41 games. Then he also was the starting PG on a Lakers team that went to the finals. Looks like very similar team resumes to me.

[HHHRVD55]

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True. Don't know what I was thinking when I said that about Payton. My mistake.

[Helios12787]

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To further continue the discussion of rating a single player partially based on team success:

Look at the MLB. There are a lot of Hall of Fame / Hall of Fame quality players that have either never seen the World Series or not won any. Nolan Ryan only had 1 world series ring but he is one of the greatest pitchers of all time.

Eric Hinske (current Braves bench player) has won 2 rings and lost in a 3rd WS. Hinske wishes he could be on the same level as Ryan.


Back to the NBA now... Pete Maravich will go down as one of the most electrifying / talent guards to ever grace a court. Sure his legacy isn't there with MJ's due to the fact that he was injured a lot and he never had that long lasting support that MJ had in his championship years.

Don't even wanna go into the personal issues he went through (both physical and mental).

You put his numbers up there with say John Stockton and you'll see that even though he doesn't have the playoff legacy to leave behind his stats show that he should be considered up there with the greats.

Maravich averaged 24.2 PPG, 5.4 APG, and 1.4 SPG
Stockton averaged 13.1 PPG, 10.5 APG, and 1.6 SPG

Yes Stockton did have a much longer career, and yes he appeared in more playoffs than Maravich. You look at how many games Pistol Pete put up 40+ points (including that one 68 point game) and you have a valid argument to put Maravich in the top PG's of all time.

The people who put the young up and comers in the list are just uneducated in the history of the game. Yes there are some amazing talents that we will see from years to come but until those years come, give way to the old school talent.