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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #436
    Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

    If only Bulls Fans would defend a certain QB in their town as much as they do the God....I mean Derrick Rose...
    #RespectTheCulture

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    • mKoz26
      In case you forgot...
      • Jan 2009
      • 4685

      #437
      Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

      Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
      If only Bulls Fans would defend a certain QB in their town as much as they do the God....I mean Derrick Rose...
      Leave Jay out of this.



      Chase, do you think you can find the formulas for the stats you're pulling up?
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      Originally posted by baumy300
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      • ChaseB
        #BringBackFaceuary
        • Oct 2003
        • 9844

        #438
        Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

        Originally posted by mKoz26
        Leave Jay out of this.



        Chase, do you think you can find the formulas for the stats you're pulling up?
        Sure, do you want explanations, FAQs, blogs, formulas? Just tell me what you want.
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        • Basketball GURU
          MVP
          • Jul 2010
          • 1287

          #439
          Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

          So whats the argument against all the other MVP candidates this years? Everyone has a reason on why Rose shouldn't be the mvp (and it's still not guarantee that he'll win), how is Dwight, Lebron, Kobe and Durant more deserving?

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          • mKoz26
            In case you forgot...
            • Jan 2009
            • 4685

            #440
            Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

            Originally posted by ChaseB
            Sure, do you want explanations, FAQs, blogs, formulas? Just tell me what you want.
            Straight up formula.
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            @CDonkey26

            Originally posted by baumy300
            Yeah, she may be a bit of a beotch, but you get back to me when you find out a way to motorboat personality...

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            • PrettyT11
              MVP
              • Jul 2008
              • 3220

              #441
              Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

              Originally posted by da ThRONe
              Whether you consider it taking away from Kobe or adding to Paul I think we can all agree its more impressive leading a below average team to the 2nd spot then a team good enough to be a mid playoffs team to the 1seed.
              CP3 was a very deserving canidate. Like Ex said it really could have gone either way and nobody would be mad. Nobody was robbed or raped in the situation.

              I don't like taking up for or defending the Lakers but I wouldn't call them a mid playoff team without Kobe that year. That is a very far reach. The team was just a .500 team and a seven seed with Kobe the season before. He had them with the number one record in the West before Gasol even came to town and Bynum was done for the year before a good month before Gasol came in. Then when you throw in all the drama Kobe had the summer before the season started it was a huge suprise the Lakers jumped out the the record they had before Gasol ever stepped on the floor. Adding Gasol helped them keep that number one spot but didn't lessen Kobe's impact or MVP chances.

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              • ProfessaPackMan
                Bamma
                • Mar 2008
                • 63852

                #442
                Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                As far as I know right now, where Rose has the advantage over everyone else is:

                -He's played without both his starting 4/5 for most of the season
                -Still has the Bulls competing in the top half of the East all year.

                Now realistically speaking, those two ALONE is probably all that's going to be needed for him to win it because we all know how much the Media falls in love with the player who can "overcome the most odds"(whether we hate to admit it or not)as opposed really determining who truly is the MOST valuable.

                I remember earlier in the year, Dirk was an MVP Candidate(a serious one at that)what did he do fall off? There was even a MENTION of Russell Westbrook being a possible candidate, what happened to that? What has Duhwight done to NOT win MVP this year? This is the ****ed up apart about the MVP Award because I'd say 85-95% of it is based on numbers alone.

                I'm not saying Rose doesn't deserve it(said not too long ago that he's going to win it)but strong cases can be made for others just as strong as they're being made for Rose but like I said earlier, he already has a significant advantage over the other possible candidates that makes it almost a lock that he'll win it this year and really all he has to do is keep playing like this for another week when the calender turns over to April and you might as well get started on engraving his name on it.
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                • PrettyT11
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 3220

                  #443
                  Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                  Originally posted by ChaseB
                  The Lowry and Rose numbers are close just because Lowry does not turn the ball over as much, rebounds better, creates more turnovers and shoots better from deep. Again, though, not really trying to put Lowry in the conversation, just want to make it clear that I think Dwight is hands-down the guy.
                  Come on now my man their numbers aren't close by any means. Their rebounds are basically the same with Rose actually having the higher average by 0.1. The steals difference is only 1.4 to 1.1 and the turnovers is only one more. That is barely a minor difference. However Rose scores 12 more points a night, gives out more assists, shoots a higher overall percentage, and shoots a far better free throw percentage while getting to the line twice as much. If we go into the advanced stats the numbers are even farther in Rose's favor. He has the much higher PER, overall PER difference,plus minus, OWS,DWS,WS,WS/48, simple rating, and so on. His defensive metrics are also much better. He has the far better defensive rating and hold his oppenents to a much lower PER and stat output. There is no reason on earth for anybody to even attempt to put their season output anywhere near each other.

                  I have no problem with anybody putting Dwight in the convo. His meaning to his team can be argued against anybody in the league. I have him second as it stands right now in the MVP race. But I can't by any means call him the hands down winner when the Bulls are up on them by six games and have the number one seed as it stands right now.

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                  • Chrisksaint
                    $$$
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 19127

                    #444
                    Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                    Originally posted by PrettyT11
                    CP3 was a very deserving canidate. Like Ex said it really could have gone either way and nobody would be mad. Nobody was robbed or raped in the situation.

                    I don't like taking up for or defending the Lakers but I wouldn't call them a mid playoff team without Kobe that year. That is a very far reach. The team was just a .500 team and a seven seed with Kobe the season before. He had them with the number one record in the West before Gasol even came to town and Bynum was done for the year before a good month before Gasol came in. Then when you throw in all the drama Kobe had the summer before the season started it was a huge suprise the Lakers jumped out the the record they had before Gasol ever stepped on the floor. Adding Gasol helped them keep that number one spot but didn't lessen Kobe's impact or MVP chances.
                    See but there is one major flaw in your arguement, without CP3 that year i'm pretty sure the Hornets wouldn't have been a playoff team that year. It's an endless debate both were deserving it's just a little annoying when CP3 had Kobe beat in basically every category but PPG. No one is gonna be satisfied no matter who gets the MVP award every year.
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                    • da ThRONe
                      Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 8528

                      #445
                      Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                      Originally posted by Chrisksaint
                      See but there is one major flaw in your arguement, without CP3 that year i'm pretty sure the Hornets wouldn't have been a playoff team that year. It's an endless debate both were deserving it's just a little annoying when CP3 had Kobe beat in basically every category but PPG. No one is gonna be satisfied no matter who gets the MVP award every year.
                      It's not that Kobe didn't have a great year(or it wasn't that he hasn't been robbed of MVP honors before) it's that Chris did more(stats wise) had a great regular season record and did it with a team only maybe LeBron could have did it with.
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                      Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                      • PrettyT11
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 3220

                        #446
                        Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        As far as I know right now, where Rose has the advantage over everyone else is:

                        -He's played without both his starting 4/5 for most of the season
                        -Still has the Bulls competing in the top half of the East all year.

                        Now realistically speaking, those two ALONE is probably all that's going to be needed for him to win it because we all know how much the Media falls in love with the player who can "overcome the most odds"(whether we hate to admit it or not)as opposed really determining who truly is the MOST valuable.

                        I remember earlier in the year, Dirk was an MVP Candidate(a serious one at that)what did he do fall off? There was even a MENTION of Russell Westbrook being a possible candidate, what happened to that? What has Duhwight done to NOT win MVP this year? This is the ****ed up apart about the MVP Award because I'd say 85-95% of it is based on numbers alone.
                        What happened to Dirk IMO is the injury and then the team struggling some after he got back. He is still in the talk but that hurt his chances. I never really saw Westbrook as a real threat canidate. He was outplaying KD the first couple of months but after that KD got back to normal and is the MVP canidate on that team. LeBron's MVP hopes was pretty much crushed IMO when the couldn't and still haven't beat any of the top teams in the league(besides the Lakers). That IMO does more damage to his MVP chances than playing with Wade. I can't see him getting many first place with the record they have against the top teams and it being thrown out everytime they play one. Dwight is really the only guy I could see having a real case or chance against Rose but they fact that the Bulls are six games up on them and have the number one spot and second best record in the league right now plays a role.

                        They thing that puts Rose over the top in addition to what you posted is the fact that they have continued to move up in the standings all year no matter who went down. When they season started it was oh Boozer is hurt now they might be playing for a six seed and yet Rose carried them in the top 4. Then when Booz gets back Noah goes down and the talk was they would drop off like they did last year when Noah got hurt. Yet they keep winning. They went from the four seed to the one seed with both Noah and Boozer missing time. That is amazing. Nobody had them even close to that before the season started.

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                        • PrettyT11
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 3220

                          #447
                          Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                          Originally posted by Chrisksaint
                          See but there is one major flaw in your arguement, without CP3 that year i'm pretty sure the Hornets wouldn't have been a playoff team that year. It's an endless debate both were deserving it's just a little annoying when CP3 had Kobe beat in basically every category but PPG. No one is gonna be satisfied no matter who gets the MVP award every year.
                          I personally thought CP3 was the MVP that year as well so again I agree with him being deserving but I also see has to why Kobe won it. It could have gone either way.

                          You stating an opinion on if they would make the playoffs or not is not a flaw in my post. Who is to say the Lakers would have made they playoffs without Kobe that year. Again they was a .500 team the year before. With no Kobe there is no Gasol trade. So a team of Fisher, Odom, Luke Walton, Vlad,Turiaf, Kwame and Bynum for less than half of a season is not making the playoffs. They would be lucky to to fight for 4th place in their own division. Even if you add Gasol that team doesn't come close to 50 wins which is what it took to make the playoffs in the West that year.

                          I can see you saying the Lakers without Kobe now might be a playoff team but the Lakers you see now is not the same as the Lakers of 08.
                          Last edited by PrettyT11; 03-24-2011, 08:33 PM.

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                          • da ThRONe
                            Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 8528

                            #448
                            Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                            Originally posted by PrettyT11
                            I personally thought CP3 was the MVP that year as well so again I agree with him being deserving but I also see has to why Kobe won it. It could have gone either way.

                            You stating an opinion on if they would make the playoffs or not is not a flaw in my post. Who is to say the Lakers would have made they playoffs without Kobe that year. Again they was a .500 team the year before. With no Kobe their is no Gasol trade. So a team of Fisher, Odom, Luke Walton, Vlad,Turiaf, Kwame and Bynum for less than half of a season is not making the playoffs. They would be lucky to to fight for 4th place in their own division. Even if you add Gasol that team doesn't come close to 50 wins which is what it took to make the playoffs in the West that year.

                            I can see you saying the Lakers without Kobe now might be a playoff team but the Lakers you see now is not the same as the Lakers of 08.
                            While I agree for the most part. The thing I disagree with is people dismissing opinions when the award itself is based on opinions as much as stats. I don't think any knowledgeable NBA fan would say CP3 supporting cast was nearly as good as Kobe's was that season. Clearly wd don't know if the Lakers team would have made the playoff minus Kobe it's an educated guess, but like I said I think educated guessing/opinions is what the award is based on.
                            You looking at the Chair MAN!

                            Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #449
                              Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                              Originally posted by PrettyT11
                              What happened to Dirk IMO is the injury and then the team struggling some after he got back. He is still in the talk but that hurt his chances. I never really saw Westbrook as a real threat canidate. He was outplaying KD the first couple of months but after that KD got back to normal and is the MVP canidate on that team. LeBron's MVP hopes was pretty much crushed IMO when the couldn't and still haven't beat any of the top teams in the league(besides the Lakers). That IMO does more damage to his MVP chances than playing with Wade. I can't see him getting many first place with the record they have against the top teams and it being thrown out everytime they play one. Dwight is really the only guy I could see having a real case or chance against Rose but they fact that the Bulls are six games up on them and have the number one spot and second best record in the league right now plays a role.

                              They thing that puts Rose over the top in addition to what you posted is the fact that they have continued to move up in the standings all year no matter who went down. When they season started it was oh Boozer is hurt now they might be playing for a six seed and yet Rose carried them in the top 4. Then when Booz gets back Noah goes down and the talk was they would drop off like they did last year when Noah got hurt. Yet they keep winning. They went from the four seed to the one seed with both Noah and Boozer missing time. That is amazing. Nobody had them even close to that before the season started.
                              I know and that's why I said those two reasons ALONE are going to get him the MVP. And if I want to be technical, he had the whole "good guy" thing going with him as well after the whole Lebron mess and we all know how much the Media swallows things like that up as well. Which is why the winner shouldn't be entirely determined by a bunch of Sports Bloggers and Writers.

                              As for Westbrook and Durant, yea Durant got back to looking like Durant again but at the sametime it wasn't like Westbrook's play dipped(EDIT: Production dipped slightly in February so that might've killed ANY shot he had at it, if he even had a chance) any once Durant's production started getting back to normal so I don't really understand how he's not in the conversation either(speaking in general here).
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                              • ProfessaPackMan
                                Bamma
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 63852

                                #450
                                Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

                                Originally posted by PrettyT11
                                I personally thought CP3 was the MVP that year as well so again I agree with him being deserving but I also see has to why Kobe won it. It could have gone either way.

                                You stating an opinion on if they would make the playoffs or not is not a flaw in my post. Who is to say the Lakers would have made they playoffs without Kobe that year. Again they was a .500 team the year before. With no Kobe their is no Gasol trade. So a team of Fisher, Odom, Luke Walton, Vlad,Turiaf, Kwame and Bynum for less than half of a season is not making the playoffs. They would be lucky to to fight for 4th place in their own division. Even if you add Gasol that team doesn't come close to 50 wins which is what it took to make the playoffs in the West that year.

                                I can see you saying the Lakers without Kobe now might be a playoff team but the Lakers you see now is not the same as the Lakers of 08.
                                Agreed.

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