2010-11 NBA Regular Season MVP Discussion

[Xs and Os]

Ya'll are all over the place here to the point where I don't even know what's being argued anymore.

[DookieMowf]I dunno too much[/DookieMowf]

It's not confusing. I disputed the "media darling" issue and compared Rose and the bulls to other top teams with MVP candidates to prove my point. He tried to counterpoint and i rebuked. Pretty straightforward, Holmes.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

It's the Thunder shades that have my arguing for Dwight Howard and LeBron James. Right on.



And I disagree. The reasons why have already been outlined. Your opinion is no more valuable than anyone else's, so jump down from the pedestal.

You're main point was that it should be Durant. You just threw Dwight and LeBron out there well after the fact pretty much everyone said it should be Rose over Durant and that his MVP season isn't a creation of the media like you keep trying to say.

And where the hell did I say my opinion was more important than anyone else's? If it came off that way, I didn't mean to, but my point was that you're being biased because you're clearly a Durant/OKC fan so it ruins the whole argument you're trying to make.

[Jasong7777]

Re: Who is your *** MVP as of right now?

"media darlings"

[Po Pimp]

Re: Who is your *** MVP as of right now?

Like I said, I hear what you're saying, but the Bulls, at one point, struggled as well.

When did the Bulls struggle? When they started off the season 2-3? The Bulls haven't lost more than 2 games in a row ALL SEASON. The last time they were even close to .500 is when they were 9-8. They went on to win 7 in a row and haven't looked back since. I don't even think at one point this season were the Bulls less than 6-4 in their last 10 games.

[Shield]

Re: Who is your *** MVP as of right now?

Still Rose despite John Hollinger's anti-Rose report on ESPN. Dwight Howard is the runner-up.

[jeebs9]

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Could someone post that article?... I don't have insider. Or PM it?....Been wanting to read what he said.

[Altimus]

Re: Who is your *** MVP as of right now?

Still Rose despite John Hollinger's anti-Rose report on ESPN. Dwight Howard is the runner-up.

My man Bucher (can't believe I just wrote that) fires back:

I don't want to make this out to be me (Rose) vs. John (Dwight). John is one of the nicer guys in our business. I believe PER has value, as I do most statistics. I also love how Dwight's game has evolved. Here comes the big "but"...

Here's one example of why I can't put Dwight Howard at the top of my MVP ballot: on Monday, vs. the Knicks, in the final five minutes, the NYK guarded him, 1 v. 1, with Jared Jeffries and Shelden Williams. They did that because teams know that Dwight does not want to go to the free-throw line with a game on the line and is not going to be the same aggressive Dwight he is in the first three quarters. They figure they can just foul him if he does make an aggressive move and he knows it, so he settles for jump hooks and more perimeter-oriented shots. What all this does is force the Magic to play a different way than they've been playing for most of the game *when the game is to be decided.* It's a huge advantage for every opponent to be able to play him straight up. Never mind how deflating it is for a Magic team to see their star suddenly passive at the most crucial time of the game.


Now, on the flip side, we have Rose, who becomes *more* aggressive with the game on the line. He's *looking* to win the game at the free-throw line. As all of you know, it's a huge advantage to be able to score from the line at the end of games because you can get your defense set (rarely is there a fast break off free throws) and you're scoring without the clock running, a major advantage if you're behind. More important, it demoralizes the other team. Suddenly all the Bulls are marching to the line because the team is in the bonus. Suddenly their bigs are in foul trouble and having to a**ust how they play. More important, every Bulls player sees their leader saying, "I got this. Follow me." Have I seen every Orlando game? Every Bulls' game? No. But I've seen the same dynamics played out time after time throughout the season, that I know it's happened consistently all year long.

Now, if you want to say that because Dwight has superior statistical production and that's why he should be the MVP, OK. I'm good with that. That's not how I define MVP and I'd hope you would respect that. The guy whose play wins games in the crux of when a game is being won -- that's the guy I want to reward. That's the guy, to me, who is unique and rare. And that guy, above all others in the league this year, has been Derrick Rose.

As for the idea that DRose is a bad defender, it's just pure fallacy. Thibs uses him as his stopper if Brewer isn't getting the job done and he has stopped a variety of guys -- including **** -- in that role. He fights over screens, he rotates well, he defends on the perimeter, he denies. He has bottled up some of the best PGs in the league. I like Booz, but any guard having to defend the pick-and-roll with him is at a major disadvantage.

Stat guys have been trying to discredit Roses's accomplishments all year long. I agree with Bucher 100%.

[jeebs9]

Re: Who is your *** MVP as of right now?

I'm not going to lie Alltimus... I was pretty surprised to see that Rose was shooting 43% overall. Not that it changed my opinion of him being our MVP this year.

[Altimus]

Re: Who is your *** MVP as of right now?

Can't argue, his FG% is 5 percent down from last year but that is because he is being asked to carry the team entirely at times. He doesn't have a Ray Allen at the 2 or anyone even close to a spot up shooter at the 2. The only real player defenses have to worry about is Korver.

Also, in his first two combined years he took 132 three pointers while this year he is already at 349 attempts. Three pointers are consider low percentage shots so that is going to hit his overall percentage a bit.

Now there are things D. Rose can work on no doubt. His dribbling and passing need to improve for one; too many turnovers.

[Xs and Os]

Bucher is hit or miss with a lot of his work, and he misses on this one. While I agree that Rose is the MVP, this article is crap. Bottom line: if the Bulls and Magic had the same record, Dwight is the runaway MVP. Comparing them head to head does not strengthen Rose's case. Comparing them defensively does not strengthen his case. Bringing up Dwight against the Knicks is BS because on that same night, the Bulls lost and Rose had 10 turnovers.

Rose deserves it because he has elevated the Bulls to the top of the league, but individually Dwight is the MVP for his team on both sides of the ball and on the glass by a long shot. Just looking at his defense and rebounding, he'd be in the discussion if he was the 2nd or 3rd scorer on his team. Orlando just doesn't have the record to give it to him according to the current standard.

[jeebs9]

Re: Who is your *** MVP as of right now?

Sorry Alltimus, That is still not an excuse to be shooting that low in my opinion. Just like I say about K o b e B r y a n t. He is just too talented to be shooting below 45% for a entire season.

Rose's season is almost comparable to the year Allen Iverson won MVP. Not much talent around him. He is the main offense of the team.

Edit: Totally agree with X's and O's post above.

[Po Pimp]

Re: Who is your *** MVP as of right now?

The reason Rose's FG% has dropped so much is because he's taking WAY too many threes lately. Too many games of 0-6 and 2-8. Early in the season, he was shooting over 40% and taking about 2-3 threes a game. Now he's taking close to 5. Rose needs to get back to his mid-range game.

[cubsball899]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

i wonder how many of Rose's misses are AFTER he has broken down the defense allowing Noah, Boozer, Gibson, Asik, and Deng to get offensive rebounds and easy baskets?

[Bumi]

Re: Who is your *** MVP as of right now?

Can't argue, his FG% is 5 percent down from last year but that is because he is being asked to carry the team entirely at times. He doesn't have a Ray Allen at the 2 or anyone even close to a spot up shooter at the 2. The only real player defenses have to worry about is Korver.

Also, in his first two combined years he took 132 three pointers while this year he is already at 349 attempts. Three pointers are consider low percentage shots so that is going to hit his overall percentage a bit.

Now there are things D. Rose can work on no doubt. His dribbling and passing need to improve for one; too many turnovers.

I'm not sure that's a valid excuse. LeBron shot 50% from the field last season with the Cavs, and we all know he carried that team by his lonesome. Just saying.

Also, I agree with X's and O's post on the last page.

[Bumi]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

You're main point was that it should be Durant. You just threw Dwight and LeBron out there well after the fact pretty much everyone said it should be Rose over Durant and that his MVP season isn't a creation of the media like you keep trying to say.

No, my point was that players like Durant have been overshadowed despite having similarly, if not more impressive seasons than Rose. I threw Dwight and LeBron in there because they fall under the same umbrella.

And where the hell did I say my opinion was more important than anyone else's? If it came off that way, I didn't mean to, but my point was that you're being biased because you're clearly a Durant/OKC fan so it ruins the whole argument you're trying to make.

You didn't have to say it. It merely came off that way. And yes, I'm often a victim of bias, we all are. In this instance, I don't think bias has dictated my opinion.