2010-11 NBA Regular Season MVP Discussion

[cubsball899]

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Yeah I don't think it's fair to Rose to discuss who the better player is at this point, but it is fair to look ahead to the near future.

But Westbrook is right there.

I don't like doing this but if you put Westbrook on Chicago I don't think they "look" as contenderish as they do with Rose.

If you put Rose on OKC I think they look just as good as they do with Westbrook.

But Westbrook will soon show that he will be neck and neck with Rose over their careers IMO.

If Rose and Durant were on the same team the NBA would be their playground

[Dice]

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If Rose and Durant were on the same team the NBA would be their playground

Well, let's put it this way, if Durant was on the Bulls Westbrook would probably be in the MVP discussion. However, the Bulls would be a 67+ win team as well.

[Po Pimp]

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I don't think it's fair to compare the MVP to players like Durant, Westbrook, Melo, etc who have yet to win anything either. People act like it's blasphemous that Rose is considered a top 5 player in the league. Honestly, I'd take Rose over Durant. Durant is a better shooter and he's tall...other than that, what else is he better than Rose at?

[Po Pimp]

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Well, let's put it this way, if Durant was on the Bulls Westbrook would probably be in the MVP discussion. However, the Bulls would be a 67+ win team as well.

MVP discussion playing with who? James Harden and Serge Ibaka? You don't win MVPs if your team is in the lottery. Or are you saying if they replaced teams? You think a core of Westbrook, Boozer, Deng and Noah (with Noah and Boozer missing 50+ games) is getting 62 wins?

[ex carrabba fan]

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I don't think it's fair to compare the MVP to players like Durant, Westbrook, Melo, etc who have yet to win anything either. People act like it's blasphemous that Rose is considered a top 5 player in the league. Honestly, I'd take Rose over Durant. Durant is a better shooter and he's tall...other than that, what else is he better than Rose at?

Wait you don't think it's fair to compare Rose to Durant or Westbrook?

If so, this is what I was saying about some Bulls fans acting up.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

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See that's why I like a player like Durant. Hes a perfect compliment to Westbrook an Rose. Hes doesn't need the ball in his hand to be effective like Wade, LeBron, Rose, he can run off screens an catch an shoot while Westbrook an Rose drive an dish. If he needs to he can easily create his own shoot also. I'm glad Wade an LeBron didn't sign with the Bulls. It would have stunted Rose progression imo and he wouldn't have won the MVP.

[Po Pimp]

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Wait you don't think it's fair to compare Rose to Durant or Westbrook?

If so, this is what I was saying about some Bulls fans acting up.

I was exaggerating because sports is all about comparison and debate. My thing is, I don't know why Durant is considered such a commodity, where Rose before this season was considered by many as a Devin Harris 2.0.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

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Wait you don't think it's fair to compare Rose to Durant or Westbrook?

If so, this is what I was saying about some Bulls fans acting up.

Yea I'm starting to see what you talking about now lol. Its like when people use to say you can't compare LeBron to Kobe because Kobe has rings. Just because Rose has an MVP doesn't mean hes better then Durant. Durant had a guy on his team that put up comparable numbers to Rose. If it wasn't for Westbrook putting up Rose like numbers Durant would have gotten more recognition for MVP this year. Heck Westbrook played so well that you had people in this forum arguing who the better player was for the tunder an whos team it was.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I was exaggerating because sports is all about comparison and debate. My thing is, I don't know why Durant is considered such a commodity, where Rose before this season was considered by many as a Devin Harris 2.0.

Rose wasn't ever considered Harris 2.0. Come on fam. He was selected to the National team over the summer and everyone knew this guy was going to be special. Nobody would have put money down that he'd be MVP, but nobody was selling him short.

As far as Durant goes, it's so funny with him. First he was way too hyped up by the internet, now he's seemingly being sold short by people. He's a top talent, and yes height matters.

As far as comparing players with each other, "winning" only matters so much. Pretty much all of the top players outside of Kobe/Wade haven't won anything. So that point is moot.

Rose is in the convo for top 5, but I don't think after one season you can put him in the same sentence as LeBron/Kobe/Wade. And for my money I'd still take Durant ahead slightly.

[cubsball899]

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See that's why I like a player like Durant. Hes a perfect compliment to Westbrook an Rose. Hes doesn't need the ball in his hand to be effective like Wade, LeBron, Rose, he can run off screens an catch an shoot while Westbrook an Rose drive an dish. If he needs to he can easily create his own shoot also. I'm glad Wade an LeBron didn't sign with the Heat. It would have stunted Rose progression imo and he wouldn't have won the MVP.

me too

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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It was this run they was talking about 2/9 against Deron Bulls won and Rose had 29 and 7 While Deron had 11 points on 5 of 13 with 12 assists
Next game on 2/12 against CP3 Bulls won with Rose having 23 and 6 CP3 had 15 points on 3 of 10 shooting with 6 assists
2/17 against Parker Bulls won with Rose having 42 and 8 while Parker had 26 and 4
3/17 against Deron Bulls won with Rose having 21 and 4 on a poor shooting night while Deron had 5 points on 1 for 12 shooting with 11 assists
4/5 against Nash Bulls won with Rose having 19 and 4 with Nash having 6 points on 3 of 8 shooting with 16 assists
4/7 against Rondo Bulls won with Rose having 30 and 8 with Rondo having 7 points on 3 of 10 shooting with 6 assists
4/12 against Billups Bulls won with Rose having 26 and 3 with Billups having 10 points on 4 of 10 shooting with 8 assists

He had the pretty clear advantage in all of those games and they won them all. Parker was the only one of those guys to have a good offensive night against Rose but he got hit with 42 points in return. The rest of those guys just had flat out bad shooting nights against Rose. This doesn't include the other big games during that time against the other guys mentioned earlier. That is pretty damn impressive.

During that stretch Rose didn't exactly light it up the way the numbers show though.

in order:
11/26 from the field
7/15
18/28 (I'll also point out he lit Parker up in the other time they played the Spurs too, although he couldn't stop Parker either. Parker shot 20/35 against the Bulls this year)
8/23
6/15
I didn't even look at the games against the Celtics simply because I don't think defending Rondo really showcases how good of a defender you are.
And then a good game against Billups, going 10/19 from the floor.

Against CP3, Nash, DWill, Ellis/Curry, Billups, Kidd/Terry, Andre Miller, and Tony Parker, Rose shot just under 46% from the field while those guys I listed above shot a combined 43% against the Bulls. I still haven't finished looking at Westbrooks because I have class, but a couple things that I found pretty interesting was that Rose owned Deron Williams while Williams lit it up against Westbrooks, Andre Miller lit Rose up while he struggled pretty bad against Westbrooks. Kidd/Terry were absolutely horrific against both of them. And Tony Parker pretty much had his way with both of them on the offensive end.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

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Weren't those games against Deron after he got traded to the Nets? Deron didn't shoot good at all with the Nets an ended up facilitating the ball more.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

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me too

Whoops lol I edited the post.

[The 24th Letter]

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See that's why I like a player like Durant. Hes a perfect compliment to Westbrook an Rose. Hes doesn't need the ball in his hand to be effective like Wade, LeBron, Rose, he can run off screens an catch an shoot while Westbrook an Rose drive an dish. If he needs to he can easily create his own shoot also. I'm glad Wade an LeBron didn't sign with the Bulls. It would have stunted Rose progression imo and he wouldn't have won the MVP.

I think "not having the ball in your hands to be effective" is a little overstated....

especially when Durant is putting up 19 shots a game, only behind Kobe at 20

not to derail the thread more than it already is lol

[Bumi]

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Quick question. Didn't Durant and Rose play on the same FIBA team?