The worst pick up players.

[VDusen04]

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I'm pretty sure every school around here requires you I have some type of educational degree and then get a coaching endorsement as well.. Many of my friends are just going to school for PE degrees, to become gym teachers and coaches. Some go for a degree in history or math and then get the coaching endorsement... Their are coaching classes here for basketball, baseball, football, racquet sports, etc...

But still even with just getting a gym teachers degree it's 4 full years of college, plus passing all your praxis tests and getting your coaching endorsement, and doing an internship your last semester.

This is what my roommates degree plan would look like for someone starting new.
35 hours - general education classes
Major requirements - 50-53 hours
Major requirements include physiology of activity, kinesiology, Anatomy of motion, personal health, first aid and safety, strategies for teaching health, concepts of fitness, PE for young children, swimming, gymnastics, track and field, teaching rhymicsl activities, teaching fitness concepts, teaching racquet sports, teaching leisure sports, teaching team sports, motor skills for children, and 4 PE courses..

After those it's 29 hours of professional education requirements.. These are
Educational psychology, secondary teaching, performance based instructional design, methods for teaching PE, educational measurement, and a full semester internship teaching at the school..

That's all just for the PE teaching degree. To add the coaching endorsement, you would have chosen the team sport class from the above list of what you wanted to coach, in this case basketball. And physiology of activity, techniques of strength training, concepts of athletic training, rules and officiating, legal issues in sports, organizational physical education.. This is all required to coach football, basketball, or track in the state of Arkansas..

So it ends up being like a total of 120 hours for the teaching degree and 21 hours for the endorsement.. Granted it probably varies some depending on what type of teacher you want to be but most of the people I know who want to coach chose PE simply because the classes are really easy to pass, and you get to hang around the gym all day long for the majority of them.

I'm pretty positive that's the only way you can get a coaching job at a high school here in Arkansas.

I will admit my ignorance here and say I'm not familiar with what the state of Arkansas requires to become a high school head coach. With honest respect though, I'm not sure your friends are correct on this one. To insist every, single coach have a random four year degree just to head a high school basketball team just doesn't make sense.

I have some acquaintances who pursued P.E. degrees, but it wasn't so they could earn the right to coach. Instead, they just thought P.E. and coaching would complement one another.

I currently have a four year degree in education. However, that degree's never played a role in my coaching hire. I'm not even sure the schools that hired me to coach knew I was pursuing a degree in the first place. Moreover, I keep an eye on a few educational hiring sites and even for the state of Arkansas, there's no real mention of a degree being required to coach. They mention that online coaching certification thing I referenced (and first aide) but that's about it.

Edit: In the most awesome moment of my day, I realized the job link I was going to provide was actually for the state of Alaska, not Arkansas. Haha. So maybe Arkansas is just weird. A search for their coaching jobs came up empty on the site I was using. Still, it'd be tough to make sense of such a requirement. Four years of college to spend 2 hours a night coaching amateur high school basketball? I could see how a school would prefer folks with degrees, but in my small neck of the woods (Michigan, and apparently now Alaska), it's not a must.

[ojandpizza]

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I will admit my ignorance here and say I'm not familiar with what the state of Arkansas requires to become a high school head coach. With honest respect though, I'm not sure your friends are correct on this one. To insist every, single coach have a random four year degree just to head a high school basketball team just doesn't make sense.

I have some acquaintances who pursued P.E. degrees, but it wasn't so they could earn the right to coach. Instead, they just thought P.E. and coaching would complement one another.

I currently have a four year degree in education. However, that degree's never played a role in my coaching hire. I'm not even sure the schools that hired me to coach knew I was pursuing a degree in the first place. Moreover, I keep an eye on a few educational hiring sites and even for the state of Arkansas, there's no real mention of a degree being required to coach. They mention that online coaching certification thing I referenced (and first aide) but that's about it.

Here you can't be a coach without teaching a class anymore.. So while the older guys may have originally gotten their jobs as a coach only they are now forced to either teach something or be in administration some how. I know some who are now principals or assistant principals, or at small corrupt schools have some bull**** made up title...

All the new guys looking for jobs need that teaching degree.. Maybe not as an assistant, I'm not sure there, but as a head coach I'm fairly positive.. Again that's just Arkansas and it doesn't have to be a PE degree, it can be anything teaching or school related, that's just the route most people I know take because upper level PE classes best upper level Math, History, English, or whatever else classes lol.

[VDusen04]

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Here you can't be a coach without teaching a class anymore.. So while the older guys may have originally gotten their jobs as a coach only they are now forced to either teach something or be in administration some how. I know some who are now principals or assistant principals, or at small corrupt schools have some bull**** made up title...

All the new guys looking for jobs need that teaching degree.. Maybe not as an assistant, I'm not sure there, but as a head coach I'm fairly positive.. Again that's just Arkansas and it doesn't have to be a PE degree, it can be anything teaching or school related, that's just the route most people I know take because upper level PE classes best upper level Math, History, English, or whatever else classes lol.

Just for the sake of clarification, when you say head coach, are you referring only to varsity head? Or anyone coaching anywhere within a program?

[st0rmb11]

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I wouldn't expect the majority of kids to have the IQ to dribble with a purpose. Especially when no one teaches them any different. Instead it seems to be a bunch of "SMH at these kids dribbling nowhere" instead of actually teaching them and drilling into them how to dribble with a purpose.

Show them tapes of Derrick Rose, Westbrook, or Tony Parker dribbling. Highlight the way they set their man up, then do their move and explode to the basket. 99.9% of coaches aren't doing anything of the sort because most basketball "coaches" (Especially the ones in public schools that aren't known for basketball)" are just teachers moonlighting as coaches. And in most cases all the actual coaches coach football and basketball is left behind anyhow so that also attributes to the fact the kids aren't really learning how to play basketball at a high level.

Especially with the way the AAU circuit works. Highschool basketball is basically a joke exempting of course the prep schools who specialize in getting kids D1,D2, or even D3 scholarships and the few rare public schools (like Simeon). But if you really want to solve the problem then teach them the correct way instead of just shaking your heads, knowing that you know better because you've already been there and done that when they HAVEN'T.

I never said I just sit there and "SMH" while they do it. It annoys me yes. But, I do say something and show them how to better utilize their handles. Same way I shake my head when I see kids go up off the wrong foot on a lay up. It baffles me, but I do stop them and show them how to correctly do it.

I really take offense to the statement about basketball coaches. I take my craft as a coach VERY seriously. I'm not a teacher masquerading as a coach. I've loved basketball since I was 2 years old, I've played it since I was 8, I played in college, and I take every little bit of knowledge I've picked up over the years and try to pass it on to every kid I coach. I've sat up countless hours at night watching DVDs, VHSs, reading books by Morgan Wooten, Coach K, you name it. I've been to clinics, I annoy coaches to death when I pick their brains.

I will agree with what you said in a later post - I coach in the south, and all most of my players care about is football and baseball. I'm always fighting a battle of trying to get them to care about basketball the way they should. This showed in our record on varsity last year. But I don't agree with your idea that we, as high school coaches, aren't qualified to coach.

and as far as AAU - I'm so anti-AAU, it's ridiculous. AAU has been the slow death of real basketball.

[ojandpizza]

Just for the sake of clarification, when you say head coach, are you referring only to varsity head? Or anyone coaching anywhere within a program?

High school level head coach.. At most schools around here we have a Jr. High team 8th and 9th graders and a senior high team 10th-12th.. Lots of schools have the same coach for both some have a different for each.. But same qualifications required.... Same coaches coach varsity as JV.. JV here is just simply a B game. There usually maybe half as many B games as their are regular season games, maybe less than that. Not two separate teams, it's just simply a chance for the younger bench guys to have in-game action. No age requirements, a sophomore could be a starter while a senior could be stuck on a B team.

The younger kids, peewee or middle school level coaches don't have to have any coaching qualifications or any ties to the school..

Most schools however do have a separate 7th grade team. This is almost always the same coach as the junior high coach..

When I played we had a coach who coached us in 7th grade and also coached us in junior high, 8th&9th graders.. And a different coach for senior high 10-12... They were both each other's assistant coach though, since all 3 teams 7th, JR, SR always played on the same nights anyways.. My brother who went to the same school had one coach who coached all 3 teams, he now has a different coach who coaches all 3 teams with the 2 assistants.

[wwharton]

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Don't you need a degree to coach at a school?

This isn't universally true. It may be a requirement in some areas for public schools but not everywhere. And all private schools make up their own rules. I'm sure all schools prefer their coaches to also teach because they generally don't pay them a cent more (which is ridiculous and the reason why you do see many horrible coaches as described). You may still find a lot do have degrees because they plan on dedicating their life to the field and maybe even moving up, if not dedicating their life to teaching. But it's not uncommon to have an outsider be a head coach if he/she can handle the commitment. Speaking from experience, it's very tough.

[TMagic]

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http://youtu.be/0gWxHFMog9w

So freaking true.


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[DukeC]

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http://youtu.be/0gWxHFMog9w

So freaking true.


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LOL.

I'm the imaginary dunker to some extent. If I see guys throwing oops to themselves I'll start doing it and predicatably get hung. I swear I can do it though

[Klayups]

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The complain excessively about every foul and ruin the fun of the game, guy.

[canesfins]

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Sure it's been mentioned, but the rager. Something doesn't go his way so he starts raging and playing way too aggressive. At the end of the day you got to remember it's a pickup basketball game.

[96ethics2ignore]

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I don't mind playing with ballhogs THAT much since I'm a pretty passive offensive player but it's amusing when a player ballhogs but can't score at all.

This big dude had decent handles and even looked around as if looking for the open man...but he would never actually pass it. And even worse, he insisted that his jumper was "off" (he couldn't shoot), so he just barreled his fat *** into the lane every possession and put up an awfully unbalanced layup.

I just cleaned up on the glass and scored most of our points

[mb625]

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"Get up on him" guy. Once I was playing and this guy kept setting screens on me and I had to switch onto him. This guy was faster and quicker than me, but had a horrible 3 pt. shot. So I sagged off of him, and every time I heard "Get up on him." from some guy on my team. And I'm sitting here like, dude, I've seen this guy shoot 10 times from beyond the ark. He loves that shot. He has made zero of those. I will NOT "get up on him." I'll sit back until he proves he can actually make that shot.

[96ethics2ignore]

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"Get up on him" guy. Once I was playing and this guy kept setting screens on me and I had to switch onto him. This guy was faster and quicker than me, but had a horrible 3 pt. shot. So I sagged off of him, and every time I heard "Get up on him." from some guy on my team. And I'm sitting here like, dude, I've seen this guy shoot 10 times from beyond the ark. He loves that shot. He has made zero of those. I will NOT "get up on him." I'll sit back until he proves he can actually make that shot.

Ugh I hate it when people don't realize that you don't have to play lockdown, in-grill defense 24/7. But I guess, you never know.

[wwharton]

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"Get up on him" guy. Once I was playing and this guy kept setting screens on me and I had to switch onto him. This guy was faster and quicker than me, but had a horrible 3 pt. shot. So I sagged off of him, and every time I heard "Get up on him." from some guy on my team. And I'm sitting here like, dude, I've seen this guy shoot 10 times from beyond the ark. He loves that shot. He has made zero of those. I will NOT "get up on him." I'll sit back until he proves he can actually make that shot.

The "get up on him" guy is usually the one who has no clue how to play defense, complains whenever a foul is called on him, and thinks as long as his man doesn't score then it's everyone else's fault if they are losing (because his man is clearing space for drivers left and right, and he's not helping or getting back on fast breaks).

If you can't tell, I hate the "get up on him" guy. If you can't stay in front of me without hand checking, grabbing or committing blocking fouls, then don't "get up" on me just because there isn't a ref there. This always touches a nerve bc people think they shouldn't call the foul in these situations, not realizing you end up losing the game bc the other team is cheating to keep you from scoring.

[NinerFan1983]

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I hate when I'm out there on the floor, I'm wide open and can't get the ball even if life itself depended on it.

The other night, I played a few games, went 4-4 shooting in the first game, and never saw the ball again for like 3 games after that and I was open a lot too.