Jay-Z Involved In Basketball Decisions for the Nets?

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Jay-Z Involved In Basketball Decisions for the Nets?

Like I said, Jay-Z is not anywhere near Cuban as a business man. You can all go crazy over it if you like, I'm not backing off that statement. Running a record label, a clothing line and clubs isn't exactly "WOW WHAT A BUSINESS MAN!" to me.

[da ThRONe]

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So why have a GM if your owners are going to make the basketball decisions that affect the roster? Yes, in the business world that's why companies hire managers and directors to make decisions for different parts of the corporation. BUT the owners will have to trust the decisions of their manager in order to make it successful.

Now I can understand your point on Cuban. I think he's keeping the Mavs from being legit title contenders instead of being pretenders. Buss on the other hand learned his lesson and I'm pretty sure he doesn't interfere with Kupchak's decisions after the two butted heads on whether to trade Kobe or not back in 2007. Buss was looking for the best deal and Kupchak convinced Buss to keep him. Since then, Buss would be a fool to overturn his moves.

Not sure about the Gilbert situation. BUT the point is when the owners start meddling with the team like they're playing in a Fantasy Basketball League, then that's where you have issues. King said in the article that he emails Jay on 'What about this guy?' Why are you even asking him? Just tell him, 'I want to get this guy!' and be done with it.

It's less about making decisions and more about being involved in the process.

[da ThRONe]

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Wait, what??? lol, are you sure about that? Jay Z was the CEO of Def Jam, has Roccawear, has a string of 40/40 clubs around the country and maybe the world along with other business ventures. Rappers make money, they don't get rich. Jay Z most definitely got to where he is by being a business man.

Or like he says, "I'm not a business man, I'm a business, man." Seriously though, that statement couldn't be any further from the truth.

This isn't counting the movies he's produced or the products he's endorsed. If anything being a business man/celebrity/public figure makes him more qualified than less.

[The 24th Letter]

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what in Cubans background qualified him as being more knowledgable about basketball than Jay-Z when he bought the Mavs? that he wasnt a rapper? LOL

and yeah, Def Jam is a tiny company managed in someones back yard...

hilarious

[OSUFan_88]

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what in Cubans background qualified him as being more knowledgable about basketball than Jay-Z when he bought the Mavs? that he wasnt a rapper? LOL

and yeah, Def Jam is a tiny company managed in someones back yard...

hilarious

Neither qualified as more knowledgeable, I'll give you that.

And stop putting words in my mouth. Def Jam is a big company.

[aholbert32]

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So why have a GM if your owners are going to make the basketball decisions that affect the roster? Yes, in the business world that's why companies hire managers and directors to make decisions for different parts of the corporation. BUT the owners will have to trust the decisions of their manager in order to make it successful.

Now I can understand your point on Cuban. I think he's keeping the Mavs from being legit title contenders instead of being pretenders. Buss on the other hand learned his lesson and I'm pretty sure he doesn't interfere with Kupchak's decisions after the two butted heads on whether to trade Kobe or not back in 2007. Buss was looking for the best deal and Kupchak convinced Buss to keep him. Since then, Buss would be a fool to overturn his moves.

Not sure about the Gilbert situation. BUT the point is when the owners start meddling with the team like they're playing in a Fantasy Basketball League, then that's where you have issues. King said in the article that he emails Jay on 'What about this guy?' Why are you even asking him? Just tell him, 'I want to get this guy!' and be done with it.

Damn near every owner in the NBA is consulted on player movement and deals. You know why the Melo deal got done? Because the Nuggets owner Kronke wanted Mosgov and Knicks owner Dolan overruled his GM and included him to make the deal.

You are 100% wrong when it comes to Buss. He is still very involved in player moves. He's the reason the Lakers have never come close to trading Bynum. The Buss family loves Bynum and has vetoed every suggested deal involving him.

Again, If I own a business, I want to be consulted on ever significant move that could affect my team. Most NBA owners feel the same way.

[aholbert32]

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Like I said, Jay-Z is not anywhere near Cuban as a business man. You can all go crazy over it if you like, I'm not backing off that statement. Running a record label, a clothing line and clubs isn't exactly "WOW WHAT A BUSINESS MAN!" to me.

LOL! Cuban made 90% of his money from ONE business deal. He was able to dupe Yahoo into paying billions for his online radio business during the internet boom. He has a string of failures since then from his movie studio, his tv network to the UFL.

Technically Jay's had more successful businesses than Cuban has in his career.

[The 24th Letter]

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Neither qualified as more knowledgeable, I'll give you that.

And stop putting words in my mouth. Def Jam is a big company.

Thats all im saying....

my bad

[Dice]

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Damn near every owner in the NBA is consulted on player movement and deals. You know why the Melo deal got done? Because the Nuggets owner Kronke wanted Mosgov and Knicks owner Dolan overruled his GM and included him to make the deal.

You are 100% wrong when it comes to Buss. He is still very involved in player moves. He's the reason the Lakers have never come close to trading Bynum. The Buss family loves Bynum and has vetoed every suggested deal involving him.

Again, If I own a business, I want to be consulted on ever significant move that could affect my team. Most NBA owners feel the same way.

Being consulted on a decision and asking the owner, 'You think I should do this?' are two different things. In the director/manager and owner relationship it should be, 'I want to make this move, can you approve it?'

And as far as Bynum, Kupchak didn't want to trade Bynum neither. So him and Buss were on the same page on that one.

[da ThRONe]

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So what's a WOW businessman?

[aholbert32]

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Being consulted on a decision and asking the owner, 'You think I should do this?' are two different things. In the director/manager and owner relationship it should be, 'I want to make this move, can you approve it?'

And as far as Bynum, Kupchak didn't want to trade Bynum neither. So him and Buss were on the same page on that one.

Thats not true about Kupchak but thats besides the point. What is the difference between asking for approval and asking "You Think I Should Do This?" If the owner says "No", the GM isnt going to do it because he wants to keep his job. There is absolutely no difference in the two scenarios you presented.

[Dice]

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Thats not true about Kupchak but thats besides the point. What is the difference between asking for approval and asking "You Think I Should Do This?" If the owner says "No", the GM isnt going to do it because he wants to keep his job. There is absolutely no difference in the two scenarios you presented.

So are you implying that Kupchak is lying in this interview?

http://lakernation.com/2011/03/kupchak-you-dont-trade-bynum-for-anyone/

[ProfessaPackMan]

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LMAO Is this a serious thread? Seriously?

This man has NO say on ANY Basketball Related decisions whatsoever and the ONLY reason he is on board is because of the move to Brooklyn, which I thought should've been obvious by now. In other words, we're USING him to get OUR name out to the public. Hell, if you wanna be real, he's the only reason the casual fan knows who we are

ANY decisions related to the Basketball side of things are ALL done by King and Bobby Marks while The Russian just dishes out the money(something which Ratner refused to do)and all Jay-Z really is, is just a Yes Man aka Tony Yayo to 50.

[Dice]

Re: Jay-Z Involved In Basketball Decisions for the Nets?

LMAO Is this a serious thread? Seriously?

This man has NO say on ANY Basketball Related decisions whatsoever and the ONLY reason he is on board is because of the move to Brooklyn, which I thought should've been obvious by now. In other words, we're USING him to get OUR name out to the public. Hell, if you wanna be real, he's the only reason the casual fan knows who we are

ANY decisions related to the Basketball side of things are ALL done by King and Bobby Marks while The Russian just dishes out the money(something which Ratner refused to do)and all Jay-Z really is, is just a Yes Man aka Tony Yayo to 50.

So if Billy King lying in the article?

[aholbert32]

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So are you implying that Kupchak is lying in this interview?
http://lakernation.com/2011/03/kupch...um-for-anyone/

Yes I am. One, this interview is dated in March 2011. Most of the Bynum trade talk (with the exception of the Melo trade rumor) took place before the Gasol trade. Two, it was well known within Lakers circles that when Bynum was rumored to be traded for guys like Kidd, that Mitch wanted to do it but the Buss family would not approve a Bynum deal.

Three, if you want to find a way to get fired, the quickest way is to go to the press and say "I want to trade Bynum but Buss wont let me". You always present a united front before the press. Look at the Melo deal. Its well known that the Knicks GM did not want to give up as much as NY did for Melo and that Dolan forced that deal. Have you seen Donnie Walsh comment on the deal? Have you seen Walsh say "I didnt agree with how much we gave up"? No because he wants to keep his job.