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  • ex carrabba fan
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    • Oct 2004
    • 32744

    #331
    Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

    Not taking anything out of context, I don't see the point in bringing up Jordan nor LeBron. They are nothing like Carmelo Anthony. Nothing.

    As far as those numbers, Bumi is blushing. You watch any game, any game, and you will see the obvious difference in how each guy operates on offense. I don't even want to hate on those numbers, they could be true, but you can literally watch hours and hours of tape and instantly see the difference between how much they hold on to the basketball. Those numbers don't take into account the situation either, in terms of how much time could be left in the game or shot clock or what's actually happening literally, during that time he's holding the basketball.

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    • OkayC
      MVP
      • Apr 2013
      • 1928

      #332
      Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      Not taking anything out of context, I don't see the point in bringing up Jordan nor LeBron. They are nothing like Carmelo Anthony. Nothing.

      As far as those numbers, Bumi is blushing. You watch any game, any game, and you will see the obvious difference in how each guy operates on offense. I don't even want to hate on those numbers, they could be true, but you can literally watch hours and hours of tape and instantly see the difference between how much they hold on to the basketball. Those numbers don't take into account the situation either, in terms of how much time could be left in the game or shot clock or what's actually happening literally, during that time he's holding the basketball.
      This is why hate relying too much on numbers for an argument. They dont lie, but they dont tell the whole truth either.
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      • ojandpizza
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2011
        • 29807

        #333
        Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
        Not taking anything out of context, I don't see the point in bringing up Jordan nor LeBron. They are nothing like Carmelo Anthony. Nothing.

        As far as those numbers, Bumi is blushing. You watch any game, any game, and you will see the obvious difference in how each guy operates on offense. I don't even want to hate on those numbers, they could be true, but you can literally watch hours and hours of tape and instantly see the difference between how much they hold on to the basketball. Those numbers don't take into account the situation either, in terms of how much time could be left in the game or shot clock or what's actually happening literally, during that time he's holding the basketball.
        Nobody said they were anything like Melo? But they are great scorers they both held/hold the ball as well.

        It doesn't matter if your points come from the 3 point line, the post, jabbing to create your space, fade-a-ways, constant attacking, etc.. If you are good at it, if you're efficient, if you aren't shooting to the detriment of your team and its effective who the **** cares?

        Is Dirk a bad, inefficient scorer because he shoots post fade-a-ways and 3's rather than attacking like Barkely? Is Reggie a bad inefficient scorer because he moves without the ball and shoots lots of 3's instead of constant attacking the lane like D Rose?

        No, and Melo should not be at fault because he has instances of facing his man and creating himself a shot. What does it matter if he has the ball for 2 seconds or 10 if the shots goes in just as often as other great scorers?

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        • ex carrabba fan
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          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #334
          Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

          Originally posted by ojandpizza
          Nobody said they were anything like Melo? But they are great scorers they both held/hold the ball as well.

          It doesn't matter if your points come from the 3 point line, the post, jabbing to create your space, fade-a-ways, constant attacking, etc.. If you are good at it, if you're efficient, if you aren't shooting to the detriment of your team and its effective who the **** cares?

          Is Dirk a bad, inefficient scorer because he shoots post fade-a-ways and 3's rather than attacking like Barkely? Is Reggie a bad inefficient scorer because he moves without the ball and shoots lots of 3's instead of constant attacking the lane like D Rose?

          No, and Melo should not be at fault because he has instances of facing his man and creating himself a shot. What does it matter if he has the ball for 2 seconds or 10 if the shots goes in just as often as other great scorers?
          The way he operates isn't effective though, the last time I checked. Especially the past two years. Arguably for the majority of his career you could say that the way he's led teams hasn't been too effective.

          Dirk, Chuck and Reggie all got to the finals. So you do the math on that.

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          • ojandpizza
            Hall Of Fame
            • Apr 2011
            • 29807

            #335
            Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            The way he operates isn't effective though, the last time I checked. Especially the past two years. Arguably for the majority of his career you could say that the way he's led teams hasn't been too effective.

            Dirk, Chuck and Reggie all got to the finals. So you do the math on that.
            Hoooooooooooow is what Melo does not effective???

            He's a top 3 scorer every season. He makes enough of his shots to have percentages on par or better than Curry, PG, Harden, Iverson, Kobe, T-Mac, Pippen, Drexler, Richmond, Nique, Reggie, even Bird. He's not a ball hog, he doesn't turn the ball over.. Like literally what does he do that's so bad that some of you on OS need to give him this type of reputation?

            Nobody is talking team success here. You keep reverting to that. Lots of great players on bad teams don't win anything and it has nothing to do with Melo being effective on the basketball court and not wrongfully being labeled as the worst chucker in the league.

            And numbers might not tell the whole story. But it sure as hell tells more than "he's a ball hog" , "he's a chucker" , "he refuses to make teammates better".. Etc.

            He "holds the ball for a long time"... And that makes him ineffective how? So have PLENTY of other great scorers.

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            • DamnYanks2
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jun 2007
              • 20794

              #336
              Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

              Man, I work too late, missed like 3 pages since then, Some good points brought up though. That's the problem with melo, like ex said, he does the whole jab step thing, Iso, which slows down the offense to a halt. Ball stopping at it's finest.

              I just think Melo needs a wake up call from a good coach and a good point guard, to move without the ball, and splash jumphots in rhythm. Instead of a one one approach, and to post up more at opportune times. Melo has an incredible skillset, but it has not been fully realized. He was utilized right on team Usa. I think Coach K had a plan with him.

              Durant does it in the flow of the offense, he hits you quickly, and the offense is fluid. And because of Durant's scoring prowess, it's effective and smart.

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              • ex carrabba fan
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                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #337
                Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

                Nobody said he wasn't a great scorer. When we're discussing if it's effective, I was talking team success.

                I have never labeled him anything except a ball stopper.

                I don't care about other great scorers who haven't won either. Melo falls in line with all of them to this point in his career. That's not a terrible thing at all, I'm just telling you the differences between Durant and Anthony.

                I'm not calling him a bad basketball player or the worst chucker in the league. So you have to calm down with all of that noise.

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                • ojandpizza
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 29807

                  #338
                  Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

                  Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                  Man, I work too late, missed like 3 pages since then, Some good points brought up though. That's the problem with melo, like ex said, he does the whole jab step thing, Iso, which slows down the offense to a halt. Ball stopping at it's finest.

                  I just think Melo needs a wake up call from a good coach and a good point guard, to move without the ball, and splash jumphots in rhythm. Instead of a one one approach, and to post up more at opportune times. Melo has an incredible skillset, but it has not been fully realized. He was utilized right on team Usa. I think Coach K had a plan with him.

                  Durant does it in the flow of the offense, he hits you quickly, and the offense is fluid. And because of Durant's scoring prowess, it's effective and smart.
                  Which is why if they could switch teams this argument would be entirely different. I would love to see Melo get easy looks in transition and off plays Westbrook created and in that type of tempo.... And the vice versa with Durant, have to create every shot, never get easy looks because your team doesn't get stops.. It makes a HUGE difference. Anybody who fails to realize that doesn't watch early enough of either team play.

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                  • ex carrabba fan
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                    • Oct 2004
                    • 32744

                    #339
                    Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

                    Please don't resort to the "if you don't realize this you don't watch enough of them play" line

                    Don't cop out like that

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                    • OkayC
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2013
                      • 1928

                      #340
                      Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

                      Originally posted by ojandpizza
                      Which is why if they could switch teams this argument would be entirely different. I would love to see Melo get easy looks in transition and off plays Westbrook created and in that type of tempo.... And the vice versa with Durant, have to create every shot, never get easy looks because your team doesn't get stops.. It makes a HUGE difference. Anybody who fails to realize that doesn't watch early enough of either team play.
                      Lol, your not the only one who watches basketball in here. So calm down a little.
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                      • ojandpizza
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 29807

                        #341
                        Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

                        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                        Please don't resort to the "if you don't realize this you don't watch enough of them play" line

                        Don't cop out like that
                        Melo just scored 60 points on almost entirely contested jumpers within a half court set. Every game he has to get himself going and create his own looks. His team doesn't get stops, he doesn't get open shots in transition. He doesn't have a team that moves the ball. He's scoring basically the only way he can and he's doing it at a very high rate.

                        I guess I'm lost of the whole "ball stopper" thing. He holds the ball sometimes ok I get it we all get it. In most situations that's the point guards job, if it isn't moving the point guard is usually dribbling.. So we give Felton the ball? Yeah ok. If he's scoring at an efficient rate what's the different in him catching and shooting, than him catching jabbing 3 times then shooting? If the ball if going through the net at a high rate? What's the difference in that. Are you saying he should swing the ball? Because most other great scorers do not swing the ball. They shoot.

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                        • ojandpizza
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 29807

                          #342
                          Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

                          Originally posted by OkayC
                          Lol, your not the only one who watches basketball in here. So calm down a little.
                          I'm calm and fine. But there is an obvious drastic difference in how the two gets their looks. Part of it is on themselves, but just as equally a part of it is the situation they are both in. My point is we all known where Melo's faults lie. And we known Durant's an efficient monster. But it's way over exaggerated both ways, and Melo gets much more flack than he deserves here on OS.. Not so much in the Durant comparison, but in terms of comparing him to most of the other great scorers though out league history and in terms of where he falls among today's NBA stars.

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                          • DamnYanks2
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                            • Jun 2007
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                            #343
                            Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

                            Originally posted by ojandpizza
                            Which is why if they could switch teams this argument would be entirely different. I would love to see Melo get easy looks in transition and off plays Westbrook created and in that type of tempo.... And the vice versa with Durant, have to create every shot, never get easy looks because your team doesn't get stops.. It makes a HUGE difference. Anybody who fails to realize that doesn't watch early enough of either team play.
                            The Thunder would be a worse team with Melo, I am just not convinced Melo would be able to have the same impact as Durant would. Different players. And a different system.

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                            • MattUM
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                              • Aug 2013
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                              #344
                              Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

                              I think Melo would do better in OKC compared to NY. Surround him by a bunch of guys that play defense and play team-first and he wouldn't have to do everything for the Knicks while the whole team just wants to catch and shoot threes.
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                              • ojandpizza
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                                • Apr 2011
                                • 29807

                                #345
                                Re: Let's settle this: Kevin Durant vs. Carmelo Anthony

                                Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                                The Thunder would be a worse team with Melo, I am just not convinced Melo would be able to have the same impact as Durant would. Different players. And a different system.
                                I completely agree with that.

                                But I think Melo would look better individually there than in NY. And the opposite for Durant in NY.. Speaking specifically on efficiency here. Not necessarily numbers.

                                The entire point of my posts wasn't even originally to compare the two of them. It was just to show that Melo is always labeled the inefficient, ineffective type of scorer. But really in comparison to other great scorers in league history he's really not much different. But we don't look back at those guys as "ball hogs" and etc. we look back at them as great players and scorers.

                                Is he efficient of a scorer as KD? Definitely not, but KD is in a rare class in that regard, we already knew that. But it isn't so drastic that its like comparing LeBron's efficiency to JR Smith's efficiency. And that's how a lot of people make it out to be.

                                But I've said here numerous times I feel Durant is a better player, smarter player, more efficient, continually improving player, etc.

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