Top-10 Players in the NBA

[RedSceptile]

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I think the point guard war is

CP3
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Nash
Rondo
Westbrook

But my whole point is that from a game to game. CP3 does every the other guys under him on that list do. Derrick Rose is the best scorer of the group. Rondo and Westbrook bring defense. Nash is probably the best passer/shooter. Deron Williams is basically CP3 without the big steal numbers on defense. I feel CP3 brings all this together from game to game. (even though he is the shortest of the whole group).

And to the people who think I'm saying Rose doesn't play defense. That is not what I'm saying. He just doesn't make as many plays at the defensive end as CP3, Rondo and Westbrook does. He is kind of just on soild. Maybe because he has to spend that enegry at the offensive end. I think if he mixed in more passes on pick and roll plays. He could have more enegry on the other end. He defineitly has the tools to be dominate at that end (Like Kevin Durant).

Westbrook's defense is actually severely overrated, this past season he was pretty bad defensively go figure. He bites for almost any little ball fake and gives up way too much space for jump shooters. Nash actually had his best defensive year (better than Westbrook's) while Rose had the best defensive year on almost every statistic with Rondo a close second. Westbrook is a gambler and when he gambles bad he gets burned and the defense as a team has to shift. This is why Harden needs to start over Sefolosha. He's as good if not a better defender than Thabo with an offensive game that is galaxies away.

My point guard chart would look something like this.

Chris Paul 1a.
Derrick Rose 1b.
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Rajon Rondo
Russell Westbrook

If the Chris Paul that resurfaced during the playoffs is back then things get trickier.

[mjbird123]

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I think Steve Nash can still run an offense better than Chris Paul personally, but Paul's defense is much much much better than Nash's, but I really think Nash is still the best offensive PG in the league.

I agree nash is great at running the offense, Now that he is a lot older is de isn't that good.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Westbrook's defense is actually severely overrated, this past season he was pretty bad defensively go figure. He bites for almost any little ball fake and gives up way too much space for jump shooters. Nash actually had his best defensive year (better than Westbrook's) while Rose had the best defensive year on almost every statistic with Rondo a close second. Westbrook is a gambler and when he gambles bad he gets burned and the defense as a team has to shift. This is why Harden needs to start over Sefolosha. He's as good if not a better defender than Thabo with an offensive game that is galaxies away.

My point guard chart would look something like this.

Chris Paul 1a.
Derrick Rose 1b.
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Rajon Rondo
Russell Westbrook

If the Chris Paul that resurfaced during the playoffs is back then things get trickier.

I couldn't possibly disagree more with this. I don't get to watch the Thunder much during the regular season, but in the playoffs, I was like "How is Harden not a starter?!" And then I saw him play defense and I was like "Oh, that's why..." Dude looked like he had never even heard of the word defense before, much less tried to actually play defense.

[jeebs9]

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Westbrook is a big time gamble at both ends of the floor.

But yea if CP3 is going to play like he did in the Playoffs. He is standing alone on top of the mountain.

[RedSceptile]

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I couldn't possibly disagree more with this. I don't get to watch the Thunder much during the regular season, but in the playoffs, I was like "How is Harden not a starter?!" And then I saw him play defense and I was like "Oh, that's why..." Dude looked like he had never even heard of the word defense before, much less tried to actually play defense.

One of the Thunder's worst line ups was Westbrook, Durant, Sefolosha, Perkins, and Ibaka. It isn't hard to see why when one of the players shouldn't being touching the basketball unless he's passing, blocking, or grabbing a rebound (Perkins) and the other 2 slightly less worst. Harden's defense was spotty at times no lie, but the Thunder offense was supplying purring with him on the court as a facilitator/creator. He sorry if reminds me of Manu Ginobili.

Honestly Sefolosha's defense is not that much better than Harden's that he should start over him. The fact that he's a better Keith Bogans doesn't help his case. A spot up short that shot 28% from 3 during the regular season and a measly 15% during the playoffs? Pass.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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One of the Thunder's worst line ups was Westbrook, Durant, Sefolosha, Perkins, and Ibaka. It isn't hard to see why when one of the players shouldn't being touching the basketball unless he's passing, blocking, or grabbing a rebound (Perkins) and the other 2 slightly less worst. Harden's defense was spotty at times no lie, but the Thunder offense was supplying purring with him on the court as a facilitator/creator. He sorry if reminds me of Manu Ginobili.

Honestly Sefolosha's defense is not that much better than Harden's that he should start over him. The fact that he's a better Keith Bogans doesn't help his case. A spot up short that shot 28% from 3 during the regular season and a measly 15% during the playoffs? Pass.

I'm not saying OKC is better with Thabo lol, I'm just arguing that Harden is a horrific defender and Thabo is a good defender. If OKC can add a PF or C that can score the ball, then I think Thabo can be an effective starter, but when only 2 out of your 5 starters can really score, that's tough.

[RedSceptile]

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Nah man I understand what you're saying completely. But Harden isn't a horrific defender (that's a strong statement!) Marco Bellinelli is a horrific defender, Harden is decent he's not in his prime Bruce Bowen, or Pippen, or Battier (but man if he was...smh) but he's decent. He definitely needs work and it's something he's improving in as he bodies up quite a lot he just needs to work on angles and so on and blah blah blah all that boring stuff.

Is be content with Harden working on his defensive game as his offense game is pretty mature for only a second year player and at his young age (same for Westbrook) you can coach out bad habits and teach fundamentals. I think he can make the effort but as it stands he's probably the best fit for starting in OKC as he's a perfect compliment (did I mention Manu Ginobili :o)

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Remember last summer when Rondo(2010) was the Flavor of the Month?

That's kind've how I feel about Rose this year.

[OSUFan_88]

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My top 10 list

1.Kobe Bryant
2.Dirk Nowitzki
3.Derrick Rose
4.Kevin Durant
5.Lebron James
6.CP3
7.Dwayne Wade
8.Dwight Howard
9***ssel Westbrook
10.Manu Ginobili

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[mjbird123]

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I think Darko Milicic is the best player of all-time. No I'm just kidding or not, but ya I am. He was the worst draft pick in the history of the NBA.... I think.
The top ten Centers for me are:

1 Dwight Howard (he just does everything amazing near the basket on offense and Defense)

2: Al Jefferson(1 of the most underrated players in the game)

3: Al Hordford(Great underneath the basket Offense and defense Averaged 9.8rebs. last year.)

4: Andrew Bogut (lead NBA in blocks last year. Injuries have held him back most of his career. Still waiting to see a healthy Andrew Bogut fro a whole season)

5:Tyson Chandler (One of the best Defensive players in the league, and probably the reason the Mavs went from a playoff contender to the NBA Champs)

6:Nene: ( great symbol of Athleticism and strength by his way of going to the hoop.)

7: Joakim Noah (Great defensive player, and good under the hoop)

8: Brook Lopez (Showed us again he is the star of the Nets...before they got Williams)

9: Andrea Barngani (Great scorer and offensive player. I expect him to lead the Raptors next year and make an all star game appearance)

10: Andrew Bynum: ( he could be one of the best centers in the league, but is knee weakness and injuries have held him back.)

This is what I think of the centers in the NBA.

[Dice]

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Remember last summer when Rondo(2010) was the Flavor of the Month?

That's kind've how I feel about Rose this year.

The only difference is that Rondo didn't lead the Celtics to 62- wins the previous year and he didn't win the MVP.

I know what your saying in regards to who's hot now. But I think Rose has the ability to be a top five player in the league. Despite Rondo being an elite PG, he to me will never be a top five player.

One of the great things about the crop of elite PG's today is that you can say "your favorite PG" is the best in the league and wouldn't be called silly by doing so. Many would probably disagree BUT your guy would have some valid reasons to be that guy. If you feel Williams is the best, then that's fine. I'd disagree BUT it's not far from being realistic.

[Jukeman]

And with that..

Rajon Rondo is the best PG in the league (in my Kanye voice)


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[ProfessaPackMan]

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To me, at the worst he's Top 2.

But again to me, I base my rankings of any player on consistency and not just one year. So for example, if a player has been in the league for 6 years and in 5 of those years, he plays at high level and is average double digits in two categories(one of them not being TOs)and one year he doesn't, I'm not going to knock him for that one year.

Just like I wouldn't go out and say Blake Griffin is the best PF in the league right now after one year(not saying people have been saying this, just using it as an example).

One of the great things about the crop of elite PG's today is that you can say "your favorite PG" is the best in the league and wouldn't be called silly by doing so.

Yeah but that also goes without saying, lol.

Unless your favorite PG is Paul, Williams, Rondo, Rose and Nash, you really wouldn't have that strong of a case to say your team's PG is the best in the NBA lol. But I get your overall message though and I agree.

[mjbird123]

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And with that..

Rajon Rondo is the best PG in the league (in my Kanye voice)


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NO WAY RAJON RONDO IS NOT THE BEST PG IN THE LEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's easily Derrick Rose or in a year or 2 John Wall.

[wwharton]

NO WAY RAJON RONDO IS NOT THE BEST PG IN THE LEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's easily Derrick Rose or in a year or 2 John Wall.

It's not "easily" anyone, but you may need to turn your sense of humor up a bit.