NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[OSUFan_88]

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Which they've even admitted RT @ZachLowe_SI Labor lawyers I've spoken to tell me @TheNBPA has little to no chance to win NLRB case...

Sam Amick

The two sides were essentially 22 points apart last Feb on BRI. It's now 2.5 points. Yet they stop--when they BOTH MOVED on Thursday!

David Aldridge

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'll be the optimist here. Hasn't this happened the last few weeks. They meet. Talks blow up. They back away. They meet next week. If I'm hearing about no meetings next week. Thats when I'll panic.

I can respect that and you right in that this has almost been the trend here.

But with now Hunter airing just about everything out and THEN some, with them meeting for 3 straight days(which I don't think they've done at all in this process)and with them supposedly making this much progress just to pull the plug on it like that and Holt coming out with his comments(which I would expect from a guy like Sterling or Gilbert or Sarver)...

Like I said earlier, I was real optimistic a few hours ago(after not being optimistic at all)but now, I'm back to not expecting anything at all. Oh well, at least I got the Packers and the Terps to hold me down for a good while.

[aholbert32]

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Well, the players SHOULD'VE taken the deal.

It's clear now that the owners are out to get what they want, and if they don't, they will just break the Union.

BTW:



That cannot be real, can it?

http://twitter.com/#!/AlexKennedyNBA...92418473873408

I believe it. See I'm an *******. I believe when someone overestimates the amount of leverage they have, you crush them.

Holt is right. The players haven't felt any pain yet. They missed one check and most of them didn't even miss that. Let them miss a month. Let them go into the holidays without a check. Lets see if they stand united then.

Its an ******* move by the owners but the players played their way into this.

[OSUFan_88]

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So if the NLRB doesn't allow the players to decert, then what exactly is the NBPA's plan here?

Honest to God, I do not understand this. Then again, it's the owners just wanting to be *******s to them too.

IDK, but my guess is after Stern cancels some more games tomorrow, and the players miss something along the lines of 400 million and the players crack even more, they will go back to the table and do more negotiating.

BTW, I wonder if Stern really was sick or if he just wanted to not be a part of this mess today.

[aholbert32]

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I can respect that and you right in that this has almost been the trend here.

But with now Hunter airing just about everything out and THEN some, with them meeting for 3 straight days(which I don't think they've done at all in this process)and with them supposedly making this much progress just to pull the plug on it like that and Holt coming out with his comments(which I would expect from a guy like Sterling or Gilbert or Sarver)...

Like I said earlier, I was real optimistic a few hours ago(after not being optimistic at all)but now, I'm back to not expecting anything at all. Oh well, at least I got the Packers and the Terps to hold me down for a good while.

Hunter definitely aired it out but he was just paying Stern back. Some of y'all may be too young to remember this but 1998 was much worse than this when it came to rhetoric. They eventually made a deal.

[aholbert32]

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So if the NLRB doesn't allow the players to decert, then what exactly is the NBPA's plan here?

Honest to God, I do not understand this. Then again, it's the owners just wanting to be *******s to them too.

IDK, but my guess is after Stern cancels some more games tomorrow, and the players miss something along the lines of 400 million and the players crack even more, they will go back to the table and do more negotiating.

BTW, I wonder if Stern really was sick or if he just wanted to not be a part of this mess today.

He will cancel 2 more weeks next week no matter what. Still leaves us in line for a Dec 1 start.

[The 24th Letter]

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what I disagree with is that these players even had a chance 2 weeks ago...

listening to these owners just nails that home for me even more...

good faith my ***

[OSUFan_88]

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what I disagree with is that these players even had a chance 2 weeks ago...

listening to these owners just nails that home for me even more...

good faith my ***

They had their chance to accept the 50-50 split. Which is the same split they will probably end up with anyway.

I'm only saying the players should cave because they have no leverage. The longer this goes, the worse it is going to be for the players.

[aholbert32]

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what I disagree with is that these players even had a chance 2 weeks ago...

listening to these owners just nails that home for me even more...

good faith my ***

Why don't you believe that? 50/50 was on the table 2 weeks ago. Garnett, Kobe and Pierce rejected it. 50/50 was on the table before the 2 weeks war cancelled and the league lost 400 mil. If anything 50 was always as far as they were willing to go. The players just didn't want to go there.

[WTF]

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They COULD HAVE made a deal last week. The owners told them, this is the best it's gonna get. If it's not made now, then it's going to get worse, and worse. Why even try to "test" the owners?

Crush them... I'm with you aholbert.

[Dice]

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WOW! I'm in the dark for a couple of hours and see this mess.

Looks like no season this year.

And believe what you want BUT I'm in the camp that there was NO deal for the players. Neither two weeks ago nor now. I believe that the owners was looking to cancel the season no matter what. There whole intention is to break the union. The owners were never looking for a 'fair' deal nor were they looking for a 50/50 split. I'm not buying anything that Stern says now nor what he's going to say later. He and Silver can kiss my ***. A bunch of up front liars for the owners.

And as for the players, these bastards was just too stupid to realize that the owners were talking about playing for keeps back in 2009. Instead of looking at it from the same perspective, they still wanted to sit down with some cut throat killers and try to negotiate. You know what, you deserve to have your throats sliced. And they still don't get it. Their chances of winning is this is over. They should have showed their solidarity last year when they should have either boycotted the All star game OR had a players strike in March. All that solidarity bull**** is out the ****ing window now, along with the toilet.

So Stern, Silver, owners, kiss my *** for being greedy bastards. Good luck with having an NBA with stars like Hot Sauce, the Professor and Spyda as your show piece. You won't get a dime from me.

To the players, thanks for being dumb asses and letting the NBA and owners **** you over with no vaseline. You deserve to loose every dollar you miss. Next time, when the owners whisper a year ahead of an imminent lockout that might cancel the season, you'll open your ears and listen. Hope that union treasure chest is full because your going to need it. Don't be expecting those FAT NBA checks anytime soon.

[The 24th Letter]

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Why don't you believe that? 50/50 was on the table 2 weeks ago. Garnett, Kobe and Pierce rejected it. 50/50 was on the table before the 2 weeks war cancelled and the league lost 400 mil. If anything 50 was always as far as they were willing to go. The players just didn't want to go there.

b\c I think the whole plan was for the players to (quote the Holtster) "feel pain" in the first place...

I agree with the one reporter who said something along the lines that: Hunter knew good and well this was a lose lose from the beginning, all he needed was a "win" to take back to the union...and I dont think the owners had any intention of ever really negotiating anything.....

and thats absolutely not sparing the players of any blame,,,

[ProfessaPackMan]

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At this point, just let the Rank and File dudes just speak and say what they need to say without having Big Bad Fisher come down on him with his "***** you speak when spoken to!" line.

I mean seriously...can it get any worse if they speak their mind? Same for the Rookies since they're also going to be affected by this the most because of a small % of players' ego unfortunately.

[aholbert32]

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b\c I think the whole plan was for the players to (quote the Holtster) "feel pain" in the first place...

I agree with the one reporter who said something along the lines that: Hunter knew good and well this was a lose lose from the beginning, all he needed was a "win" to take back to the union...and I dont think the owners had any intention of ever really negotiating anything.....

and thats absolutely not sparing the players of any blame,,,

You take the best deal that you can. Just two days ago, I settled a case that was completed BS but the other side had all the leverage. We could have taken the case to trial and spent more money in legal fees but in the end we were going to be in a worse position then we are now. So we paid a guy a ****load of money for an absolutely bs claim.

If I was Hunter, 2 weeks ago I would have had a "come to jesus" moment with the players. I would have said "they offered 50. I can maybe get them to go to 51 but we will never get 53. If we continue to fight we may not get 50. So lets offer 51." If the Superstars balked, I would have gone straight to the rank and file and said "these 20 players are trying to prevent a season so that they can get money that most of y'all will never see." If the rank and file wants me to stay at 53, I would. But if they are ok with 51, we go with that.

That way you if the owners balk at 51, you can sell it to the public that "we dropped 6% points and made it so the owners will at least break even but people come to see the players play and we believe we should have a slightly higher %." The press would have sided with the players and the owners would have been pressured from all sides by the press.

[Dice]

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You take the best deal that you can. Just two days ago, I settled a case that was completed BS but the other side had all the leverage. We could have taken the case to trial and spent more money in legal fees but in the end we were going to be in a worse position then we are now. So we paid a guy a ****load of money for an absolutely bs claim.

If I was Hunter, 2 weeks ago I would have had a "come to jesus" moment with the players. I would have said "they offered 50. I can maybe get them to go to 51 but we will never get 53. If we continue to fight we may not get 50. So lets offer 51." If the Superstars balked, I would have gone straight to the rank and file and said "these 20 players are trying to prevent a season so that they can get money that most of y'all will never see." If the rank and file wants me to stay at 53, I would. But if they are ok with 51, we go with that.

That way you if the owners balk at 51, you can sell it to the public that "we dropped 6% points and made it so the owners will at least break even but people come to see the players play and we believe we should have a slightly higher %." The press would have sided with the players and the owners would have been pressured from all sides by the press.

I can see your point and probably a good strategy. BUT it seems like Hunter is incapable to thinking of a move like that.

I mean really, what day and what place in line was Hunter waiting in when they were giving out free law degrees and licenses?