NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[clipperfan811]

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Ugh, I was allowing myself to feel hope for a resolution to this. As soon as they canceled the first 2 weeks I thought that this wouldn't be settled until they were up against a deadline for canceling the whole season.

And you know what I'm to the point where I frankly don't give a **** !

It feels like we're all caught in the middle of an ugly breakup and we're just sitting in limbo. Either get the damn deal done now or cancel the season so that half your fanbase can move on to other forms of entertainment.

I sincerely hope casual fans simply lose interest and that hardcore fans stay away out of principle for a nice long while.

There's no way we can all let them get away with disregarding us so blatantly.

Ugh!

[The 24th Letter]

Wow! I am shocked at the lack of perspective from both sides. It's clear that they do not care about the fans at all. I am beside myself. F 'em all!

Indeed.

All that fan crap the players are spewing is nonsense for the most part...I dont think the owners really give a **** about competition "for the good of the game" either...

its all about money, money,money...nothing comes before that at the end of the day....

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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The Union has lost this game of chicken with the Owners.

I remember Fisher sent out a letter to the players saying the owners weren't as united as they appeared in the media. Stern has already had to cancel games and they still haven't moved off their %50 BRI stance. It's obvious the owners haven't nor will they crack anytime soon.

Billy Hunter is going to get fired or forced to quit once a new CBA is reached. The new CBA is going to be heavily tilted towards the owners and the players will never make back the money they have already lost with the cancelled games. The Union needs to come out and say we will accept %50 BRI but we need some giveback on the issue of length of contracts and the luxury tax.

The days of a player like Rashard Lewis getting a 6 year/110 million contract are over.

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Point being, there were deals to be made and they rejected it

The players should've just taken what they had out there because now there is no use in arguing anymore...they're going to get what they get with leverage less than a mediator

Billy can threaten all he want, didnt we just get news that they wont even listen to a case for decert just a few days ago?

Yeah they're all greedy but you just cant outdo your employer for his money, plain and simple

Now go ahead and let the Leon Powe's and Javale McGee's talk lol

[aholbert32]

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Here is what I think happened:

- I think the BOG meeting went bad. I think many of the small market owners see cracks in the Union and want to push to get the flex cap and the 50%. They don't want to negotiate because they don't feel the need too right now. They haven't lost any real money yet but the players have.

I blame some of this on the players. Their best chance for a deal was 2 weeks ago and they walked away from the table. Stern warned them that offers war going to get worse as time goes on and this is where it begins.

- The Hunter press conference was a little bit of revenge for what Stern did to him last week. Stern did several interviews where he basically inferred that Hunter had no control of the union and wasn't present when they walked away 2 weeks ago. Notice how quickly Hunter talked about Paul Allen walking in out of the blue and demanding that the owners stay at 50.

- I firmly believe that if the players offered a 52.5- 50% ban two weeks ago, we would be watching basketball Nov. 1.

[The 24th Letter]

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There were definitely deals to be made, and offers made by both.... and both sides were too stubborn to do anything...

A blind man can see that after watching those two press conferences that just came on...

The whole "players shouldve just took the deal" idea doesnt really hold weight anymore...

both sides showed their *** tonight

[OSUFan_88]

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There were definitely deals to be made, and offers made by both.... and both sides were too stubborn to do anything...

A blind man can see that after watching those two press conferences that just came on...

The whole "players shouldve just took the deal" idea doesnt really hold weight anymore...

both sides showed their *** tonight

Well, the players SHOULD'VE taken the deal.

It's clear now that the owners are out to get what they want, and if they don't, they will just break the Union.

BTW:

The NBPA isn't happy with Spurs' owner Peter Holt. Source says he's slowing talks and told the players, "You haven't felt enough pain yet."

That cannot be real, can it?

http://twitter.com/#!/AlexKennedyNBA/status/127192418473873408

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Ain't no deal getting done by next week.

A few days off isn't going to change either sides stance on this so it's no use in them wasting each other's time like they've been doing.

2K just became useless to me at this point.

[The 24th Letter]

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Well, the players SHOULD'VE taken the deal.

It's clear now that the owners are out to get what they want, and if they don't, they will just break the Union.

If there is one thing I believe from Hunters mouth, its that this was the owners plan all along....and that bargaining in good faith was never a reality...

[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

There were definitely deals to be made, and offers made by both.... and both sides were too stubborn to do anything...

A blind man can see that after watching those two press conferences that just came on...

The whole "players shouldve just took the deal" idea doesnt really hold weight anymore...

both sides showed their *** tonight

Actually it holds plenty of weight. The players have two problems: leverage and public perception. The lost all leverage the minute games were lost. They didn't recognize that. **** go back about 15-20 pages in this thread. I said it clear as day weeks ago. THE OWNERS NEVER CARED ABOUT MISSING GAMES!

They actually wanted to miss some. The players actually care about missing games. So you make the best deal that you can. You don't stand firm at 54%. You don't walk away two weeks ago when they offered 50%. You continue talking and you assume that if they are willing to come to 50 they may come to something reasonable like 52.

No matter what they do the players are still getting killed in the public. This may change because of the Hunter press conference and some of the things that came out of this last negotiation but the public hasn't forgotten that they were the hard negotiators 2 weeks ago. Fisher can say he loves the fans all he wants but he was the one that walked away 2 weeks ago.

[aholbert32]

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Ain't no deal getting done by next week.

A few days off isn't going to change either sides stance on this so it's no use in them wasting each other's time like they've been doing.

2K just became useless to me at this point.

I'll be the optimist here. Hasn't this happened the last few weeks. They meet. Talks blow up. They back away. They meet next week. If I'm hearing about no meetings next week. Thats when I'll panic.

[Kashanova]

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yeah, I totally blame the owners, it's been clear since day one. I think Gilbert is the ringleader too

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I didn't see the press conferences but the players over did it now they end up with less...sorry

Hunter ain't thinking straight

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[OSUFan_88]

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yeah, I totally blame the owners, it's been clear since day one. I think Gilbert is the ringleader too

The only reason you think Gilbert is the ringleader is because you don't like him.

It's all of the small market owners, that much is clear, not one single guy.

[The 24th Letter]

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well the press conferences are definitely worth watching....

b/c Hunter wasnt the only one backtracking