NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Dice]

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So if the NBA lost $300 million last year, I wonder what their profit margins are going to look like this year

...oh yeah,

[Outcast]

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Hunter Says Heat, Lakers, Knicks and Mavericks Owners Want To Make A Deal.

Basically team owners that are making money / teams that are above luxury tax

[aholbert32]

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So if the NBA lost $300 million last year, I wonder what their profit margins are going to look like this year

...oh yeah,

Many of those owners aren't losing money because they have other forms of revenue coming in (Hockey teams, concerts) and they aren't paying player or staff salaries right now. They will save even more money once they start laying off team staff like season ticket associates. Cant lose money if you aren't spending any.

Now the players.....

[Kashanova]

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Basically team owners that are making money / teams that are above luxury tax

basically the teams that will be paying the cheap teams now in new revenue sharing plan

[cjonesfan921]

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Hunter Says Heat, Lakers, Knicks and Mavericks Owners Want To Make A Deal.

I'm a Knicks fan, and, of course they want to make a deal. What's the common thing with those 4 teams?

Heat = Bosh/Lebron/Wade = $$$/Ring?
Lakers = Don't have to say anything.
Knicks = Full season with Melo/Amare/Billups = $$$
Mavs = Defending Champs and always drew well.

This isn't about those teams, it's about the others.

Hunter is full of ****. No need to mention this, because anyone with a brain would tell you the teams that 'want' to make a deal. Those owners are not losing money!

[Crimsontide27]

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For the majority of the owners, owning a basketball team is much more of a hobby as opposed to a needed income revenue. Their are teams that make money hand over fist and owners that are willing to spend whatever it takes to win and get the best players, therefor there is a large margin between the haves and have nots.

Some owners cant accept that they just arent a competitive market. If you are a big name ball player and had a choice to go to LA, Miami, New York....or Memphis, Toronto, Cleveland etc...Some markets just sell themselves better.

Some owners want to have a complete level playing field with everyone only being able to pay up to the cap, whereas there are owners that will spent 10s and 100s of millions in luxury tax extra so they can get the players they want.

Its not just the owners versus the players in this CBA, its the owners versus the owners too.

This entire process is nothing more than a very small part of the league bickering back and forth while everyone else suffers. As usual, the more money you have, the more power you have.

I would venture to say that not one person sitting in negotiation room stands to lose very much, all things considered. Its those that have no influence and not a part of the negotiations that stand to lose everything.

[Dice]

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That's true. But how is an owner expected to make money off the franchise itself if there is no games? Yes the owners will have money in HIS pockets but what about the team executives? What about the trainers? The staff? Coaches? Are the owners expected to take the earnings from his other businesses and just dump it into a non-operational NBA team?

So now they have to layoff these folks and you just contributed to the unemployment rate. Way to go guys!

And as far as the players, the ones who won't be hurting are the superstars. I don't expect Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, and even Derrick Rose to be pan handling on the street with a sign saying, "Will play ball for food" anytime soon. They'll keep making their endorsement money and still live in their million dollar homes. Of course, lower tier players would have to start looking for work.

But it's just the trickle down effect just like with the owners. They still have all the money while the team executives suffer. The superstar players will still have money while the lower tier players suffers. It's basically class warfare.

[greenegt]

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I like Bill Simmons' point in his last column. The leadership on both sides failed miserably by fostering this 'us vs them' standoff. The problems with the last CBA have been apparent for years. Hunter and Stern should have been meeting one-on-one and worked together to come up with ideas that addressed the financial and competitive balance issues. Instead, they both prepared their sides for 'war' and are killing their own sport. Unbelievable.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The Fans don't deserve this, no matter what you think is fair or not, what's corrupted and what's not because at the end of the day, we all just want the samething and that's Basketball. But because of a small group of idiots/***holes, we're not going to get anything at all.

Hell, I feel bad for the folks in New Jersey because of the fact after this year, they won't have a Basketball Team to root for at all, so instead of going to the team they've supported for the last 3 decades, they might not get to see them play at all unless they make that trip to Brooklyn.

[23]

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And as far as the players, the ones who won't be hurting are the superstars. I don't expect Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, and even Derrick Rose to be pan handling on the street with a sign saying, "Will play ball for food" anytime soon. They'll keep making their endorsement money and still live in their million dollar homes. Of course, lower tier players would have to start looking for work.

...but these are the guys telling the lower tier players to stand united and dont take anything and stand your ground

These are the guys who showed up for one meeting and nixed the 50-50 deal
...because of what?

This is the problem that I have with these dudes...I dont care about anything Derek Fisher ever has to say, he's lying for his buddies and Billy Hunter is a walking contradiction

The only smart ones are the ones who you didnt hear from who just left and signed elsewhere and are playing like Deron, JR Smith, etc..

[TheBrothers24]

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The only smart ones are the ones who you didnt hear from who just left and signed elsewhere and are playing like Deron, JR Smith, etc..

That may be the first time I've seen those words used to describe that name without the word "not" in front of them. See what this is doing to us.

[Dice]

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Never said that there was anything right about it. But don't make it seem like all the players are going to sweat finacially over a cancelled season.

In the overall scheme of it, the dispute is really between the superstar players and the small market owners.

Neither the superstars nor the small market owners will go broke anytime soon. However, the $300 million that these 'bleeding' franchises lost last year will pale in comparison to what they're going to loose this year. And as I stated before, the owners will be laying off more folks than the players are. And the workers that the players lay off won't even be counted in the unemployment count because they're probably friends and family members. So owners bear more of a burden to the unemployment numbers than anything. You may feel different about it or may not care, but I do.

[23]

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LOL

Yep I understand that, but he left to play elsewhere and he's not bothering with the fray, just playing basketball right?

[The 24th Letter]

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Im still laughing at Dan Gilberts "trust me"....lol

maybe LeBron should come and tell him the same thing.....

idiots.

[Marino]

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Im still laughing at Dan Gilberts "trust me"....lol

maybe LeBron should come and tell him the same thing.....

idiots.

There is always more than one side to a story. Billy Hunter was looking to throw dirt out there, that line could be out of context.