NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[DukeC]

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To be fair, just because you're related to an athlete doesn't mean you are guaranteed anything from them, including money.

True. Very True. Sebastian Telfair is related to Stephon Marbury....

I'm fairly sure you've seen where he was living when ESPN aired that special about him when he was still in highschool (the year he went straight to the NBA...worst decision he could have ever made).

[TheMatrix31]

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To be fair, just because you're related to an athlete doesn't mean you are guaranteed anything from them, including money.

Oh most definitely. But if you're a millionaire, and you have a real family member (not a "long lost bro from HS") in unemployment or other dire financial straits, you'd think there would be a lot of help offered.

Especially since so many of these dudes are close to their Grandmas or Aunts. I think in Marion's case it was his Grandma.

[Dice]

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and dice, this aint baseball man...the union already has no leverage and the decert commission already said they probably wont even help them

The legal side has nothing to do with the actual sport. This basically is a labor dispute between a union and it's company, which probably millions of disputes have been settled(or unsettled) in the federal court system. And probably most of them have unrelated businesses.

And to understand it better, the union is not decertifying because there trying to go through the NLRB for the legal battle. You can't use the NLRB if your decertified.

[aholbert32]

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2 takes on the NLRB hearing:

Gary Roberts, dean and professor at the Indiana University Law School-Indianapolis

"The [NBPA's] unfair labor practice complaint is extremely weak and lacks legal basis. … Labor law is absolutely 100-percent clear that strikes and lockouts are allowed without [an] impasse being reached. Players could have struck the day the [collective bargaining agreement] expired and the league exercised its right to lock out the players. And the union's argument that the owners somehow failed to bargain in good faith because they made extreme demands also flies in the face of clear labor law. The duty to bargain in good faith does not undermine the right of 'freedom of contract,' a principle that says that either side is entitled to take firm and unbending substantive positions. As long as the owners are willing to keep meeting and talking, they are meeting the duty to bargain in good faith whether or not they make extreme demands and do not budge off of them. So absent some smoking gun in which owners are proven to have been bargaining with no effort to seek an agreement (which I am fairly sure does not exist) the union has little hope of prevailing on this NLRB complaint. … And even if the NLRB made a finding for the union in this matter, I seriously doubt they could get a court to issue a Section 10(j) injunction to end the lockout. I would be positively shocked if it turns out otherwise."

Roger Abrams, Richardson professor of law at Northeastern University

"The [NBPA] and NBA charges filed with the [NLRB] -- they are not suits or complaints, but are called 'charges' -- will NOT determine the outcome of this labor dispute. … I don't think the board will filed merit in either side's charge. This is tough and hard bargaining, accompanied by an employer lockout. There is no legal requirement that there be an impasse before either striking or locking out the other side. Even if the [NLRB] finds merit with the union's charge, it is most unlikely it will proceed to federal court under Section 10(j). It did so in 1995 against MLB because there were unilateral changes made by management. None are involved here. The National Labor Relations Act makes this a permissive move on the part of the Board and it does so rarely. We are in for the long haul until someone calls 'uncle.' "

[The 24th Letter]

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Our parents, grandparents were far less lazy then we are nowadays....lol.....alot of bball moms still work..

His grandma probably didnt quit when he came in the money....and got laid off....shes entitled to that money like anyone else..

[aholbert32]

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Billy Hunter will be on the BS Report today.

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Thanks aaron that's what I was trying to get at....they dont have any leverage in court to justify a good case enough to win this nor if they tried to decert

Point is they need to quit..there is no loophole around this



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[TheMatrix31]

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Billy Hunter will be on the BS Report today.

Ain't that appropriate naming.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2011/10/24/why-youd-have-to-be-a-soulless-imbecile-to-side-with-the-own.html

Thoughts?

[TheMatrix31]

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A whole bunch of stupidity.

I guess I'm a soulless imbecile.

[The 24th Letter]

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Some undeniable truths there....

but stand united, players make millions and stuff

[23]

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His truths have nothing to do with the fact that these players need to tap out if they want a season

[aholbert32]

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http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2...h-the-own.html

Thoughts?

A few things wrong about this:

- The owners have shown the union their books. So that kind of destroys most of his arguments. The union concedes that the NBA is losing money. They just dont agree that its as much as the owners say it is.

- His theory that the league shouldnt change the system because of the current recession is idiotic. The recession may end soon and profits may go up. The recession could also continue and profits could remain down. The owners want a system where they can break even as long as there isnt a huge economic collapse.

- He also has no idea what collusion is. His whole "Don’t offer players those salaries, and they won’t be able to accept them" argument is an example of collusion. It would take all 30 owners colluding with each other to guarantee that with every FA.

-He's completely wrong about selling teams. People arent "lining up" to sell teams. Its the reason why New Orleans is still owned by the NBA, Sacramento was going to move to Anaheim and the Warriors took almost 3 years to complete a sale.

He also isnt accounting for inflation in his financial analysis.

-I love Malcolm Gladwell but I firmly disagree with his psychic benefits theory. Owning a basketball team is much closer to owning an actual business than it is owning a work of art.

Finally, I'm not pro owner....I'm pro basketball. I want to see basketball, thats it. I'm just smart enough to know that the leverage is with the owners and that the players will have to concede everything if we want to see basketball this yr.

I'm not saying its fair but its reality.

[cjonesfan921]

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Some undeniable truths there....

but stand united, players make millions and stuff

And some incredible assumptions, which may or may not be true.

In other words, REACH.

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Finally, I'm not pro owner....I'm pro basketball. I want to see basketball, thats it. I'm just smart enough to know that the leverage is with the owners and that the players will have to concede everything if we want to see basketball this yr.

I'm not saying its fair but its reality.

Thank You... I sure wish we could get rid of the us vs them thing in this and see what"s really right before us.