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    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #2386
    Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

    National Basketball Players Association Derek Fisher is under attack. And it's only getting worse by the day.

    After recent reports questioned his loyalty, his relationship with NBPA executive director Billy Hunter, and his leadership abilities, Fisher responded by sending a letter to the NBPA in an effort to mend fences on Monday and threatening to sue one media outlet on Tuesday for reporting that he might have been co-opted by NBA commissioner David Stern.

    Those aggressive counterpunches appear to have done little to stem the criticism.

    On Wednesday, 16-year NBA veteran Jerry Stackhouse, who most recently had a cup of coffee with the Miami Heat in 2010-2011, torched Fisher in a ESPN radio interview, delivering arguably the harshest critique of the union president to date.

    "Not to say anything against Derek Fisher, it's not that I don't think he's a great guy," Stackhouse said, "But I don't want him negotiating my contract. I want an agent who knows the lingo negotiating my contract. Derek Fisher, he doesn't negotiate his own contract. He has an agent. So why would I want him negotiating something even bigger than his contract? This [Collective Bargaining Agreement] is something more important to everybody."

    If that wasn't clear enough for you, Stackhouse went on to leave no doubt that he feels Fisher is outmatched in the current negotiation.

    "David Stern, he's made this league what it is," Stackhouse said. "He's one of the greatest commissioners in sports. He's got that title, he's got the NBA at the place where it is because he's a shrewd businessman and knows how to work his way, play the media, play things up to get what he wants. We don't do that. Players are emotional. Players get emotional. So no, I don't necessarily, particularly want Derek Fisher or any of the executive committee negotiating a contract for me."

    While Stackhouse sounded reluctant to outright accuse Fisher of disloyalty to his members, he clearly left the possibility open.

    "I don't know [if Derek met with the NBA]," Stackhouse said. "I would hope not. I don't think Derek is that kind of guy from what I've seen. But at the same time, he does have aspirations to possibly be a G.M. one day. If he can be the guy to bring the sides together in whatever way, maybe there would be an oppportunity for him to be a G.M. I'm not saying that he has an ulterior motive but the possibility lies there."

    If there was a silver lining for Fisher, it was that Stackhouse's frustration with the NBPA pre-dated Fisher's tenure as president, which began in 2006.

    "Over the course of my career, the last 16 years, it seems like the executive committee is always making concessions," Stackhouse said. "More concessions, more concessions in each Collective Bargaining Agreement and this is no different. I don't think there's ever been a case where it seems like we have any leverage... We need to have more people who are capable of going toe to toe with David Stern and I just don't think players who spend most of their time playing basketball and Billy Hunter are geared to do that."

    Despite airing all of that frustration, Stackhouse said he didn't give much credence to reports that there is a developing rift between Fisher and Hunter.

    "I don't think they are necessarily at odds. But I think they are obviously are each feeling different pressures. I can imagine their voicemails are full all the time, text messages all the time about different items, from different players and different representatives... Obviously you're going to butt heads from time to time but I think for the most part both of those guys want to get a deal done."

    But unity among the union's leadership isn't enough to convince Stackhouse the NBPA will deliver a good deal for its members.

    "I'm not sure they are going about it the right way, of actually getting a good deal done for the players," he said."
    Stack........

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    • yankeesgiants
      I Drink Like A Champion!!
      • Feb 2007
      • 2477

      #2387
      Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

      Stack this man knows contract lingo and always does what is best for his clients:
      I dont remember there names but they were allot of fun....

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      • CMH
        Making you famous
        • Oct 2002
        • 26203

        #2388
        But Stackhouse is right. The players shouldn't be negotiating this thing. They should have lawyers representing their every move.

        Players aren't lawyers. If this was decided on the basketball court, the owners would hire players to represent them.


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        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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        • OSUFan_88
          Outback Jesus
          • Jul 2004
          • 25642

          #2389
          Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

          It goes both ways:

          If you have just lawyers in there, then nothing would get done because, as a lawyer representing a company, they won't budge off of what they were told not to budge off of.

          Now I think the lawyers need more power. And Billy Hunter needs to get his *** fired now. But saying players don't belong in the room? Nahhhh.
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          Urban Meyer is lol.

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          • VanCitySportsGuy
            NYG_Meth
            • Feb 2003
            • 9351

            #2390
            Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

            We know certain details of the eventual new CBA have already been agreed to.

            I don't think the new luxury tax is going to stop the Lakers from spending. Adam Silver loves to point out the gap between the Lakers and Kings last season. Under the new system, the Lakers would be paying 45 million in luxury tax instead of the 20 million they paid last season. With their new massive local TV deal and all the other revenues they get from playing in the 2nd biggest market, I don't think a potential 45 million dollar luxury bill is going to slow them down. If the Lakers spend like they did last season, we are almost back at where we started if there is still going to be a big gap in payrolls between large and small market teams.

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            • da ThRONe
              Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
              • Mar 2009
              • 8528

              #2391
              Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

              Originally posted by aholbert32
              Its not jealousy and stop trying to spin it that way. No one is saying or has ever said that the NBA's position is completely acceptable or fair. You act as if we live in a world where fair dealing and negotiations are the norm. We don't. This is what happens in a labor negotiation. The side with more leverage usually wins. Thats what happening here.

              I expected the owners to do this so I have no reason to be upset with them. They are doing what owners of most business do. What I'm surprised about is that players are willing damage themselves this much over money thats 2 weeks away from being lost for good.
              This is fine, but why are some taking sides with the people who blatantly came into these negotiations looking to muscle the players at the expense of the season?

              We all pretty much know how this plays out and that the owners have the leverage here, but that doesn't make their stance right or make them any less responsible for where the season is than the players. If anything it makes them more responsible.
              You looking at the Chair MAN!

              Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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              • WTF
                MVP
                • Aug 2002
                • 20274

                #2392
                Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                It doesn't make them more responsible. They have the leverage, they have NO reason to budge off of it. The players know that they have NO leverage yet they continue to make the deal worse on themselves. If they would have conceded already, then we would potentially be watching basketball soon.

                They have nowhere to go but down at this point. If they would have taken a stance at the All-Star game last year, or at the start of the playoffs, then they have a little leverage.

                They didn't, and now they have nothing. They're standing united, losing money, for NO reason.

                The owners have no reason to start the season, or give on their position. They hold all of the bargaining chips.

                That's like playing Black Jack in Vegas, you're on a roll on a hot streak... you get dealt 21, but because you know the other players haven't won any, you walk away from the table... It doesn't make sense.

                The players all know that they have no legs left to stand on. WHY are they standing united, costing themselves to lose more money.

                Can't reitterate this enough... the owner's don't have to make any concessions... because even if they cancel the season, they're not the ones losing. They have no reason to give the players anything.

                These players are still riding the coattails of the prior CBA from the golden years, when the product is nowhere near the Golden Years.
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                • CMH
                  Making you famous
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 26203

                  #2393
                  Not saying they don't belong in the room. But I don't understand why Fisher is this go-to-guy.


                  Sent from my mobile device.
                  "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                  "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                  • TheMatrix31
                    RF
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 52910

                    #2394
                    Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                    The discussion goes in circles.....yeesh.

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                    • NYJets
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 18637

                      #2395
                      Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                      Originally posted by da ThRONe
                      This is fine, but why are some taking sides with the people who blatantly came into these negotiations looking to muscle the players at the expense of the season?

                      We all pretty much know how this plays out and that the owners have the leverage here, but that doesn't make their stance right or make them any less responsible for where the season is than the players. If anything it makes them more responsible.

                      Nobody is really taking sides. If the owners decided to say "you know what, **** it, this nonsense has gone on long enough, let's help out our fans and play basketball," everybody would be thrilled. But that is never going to happen. What's going to happen is the players are going to give in, it's just a matter of when, and it would be best for them and for us if they did it now, or really if they did it weeks ago.

                      It's not about one side being good, or one side being bad, we just want basketball, and there's only one realistic way that's going to happen.
                      Originally posted by Jay Bilas
                      The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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                      • OSUFan_88
                        Outback Jesus
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 25642

                        #2396
                        Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                        Apparently Hunter said: " I don't know that we're going to accomplish much but we're going to meet."

                        Fantastic.
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                        Urban Meyer is lol.

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                        • WTF
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 20274

                          #2397
                          Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                          Great job Hunter.. you know that you've lost, but yet you're still going to hold out and cost the guys that you're representing even more than they would lose if they'd just sign the "bad deal" thats on the table.

                          Excellent exit strategy.
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                          • l3ulvl
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 17237

                            #2398
                            Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                            Originally posted by aholbert32
                            Its an f'd up situation and I just want basketball.
                            Originally posted by ScoobySnax
                            I don't care what happens, I just wanna see some basketball being played.
                            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                            Your right though, at the end of the day, I want ball
                            Originally posted by cjonesfan921
                            In the end though, I miss the game.
                            Originally posted by CharliePrince
                            i just wanna see some basketball being played..
                            I agree with the above comments x 1,000,000

                            Enough with the pissing contest, the only ones suffering at this point are fans, the longer this goes on the more of us you'll lose. Don't hurt the game.
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                            • 23
                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #2399
                              Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                              Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                              Apparently Hunter said: " I don't know that we're going to accomplish much but we're going to meet."

                              Fantastic.
                              If he's going to stay where he is right now, they might as well cancel those upcoming games beforehand.

                              I really need to know, whats wrong with this dude?

                              I guess Stack aint thrilled about one of the high priced teams like LA having a high cabinet member in the PU

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                              • goh
                                Banned
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 20755

                                #2400
                                Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                                Originally posted by CharliePrince
                                sort of the problem

                                the players THINK they got leverage of some sort and it'll be the owners to fold..

                                Nov 15 cannot come fast enough because then things will get real and missed paychecks = players pissed, let's just go get our millions back and play ball

                                the magical date begins nov 15, anything before nov 15 is just a mexican standoff
                                Mexican standoff but the owners have snipers on surrounding buildings so no matter what the players aren't winning.

                                Originally posted by 2907
                                Soo, what would happen if they dont get a deal done this weekend?
                                Im guessing the whole season is done for?
                                They cancel 2 more weeks or another month and it goes from 50 to 48 at best,low as a 46. So yah,the season is done for.

                                See if I were an owner I'd gather every non-superstar,tell them all we are not making money,therefore you are not entitled to the money you get. This is not the NFL where they're making money. This isn't even the NHL. Your salaries are getting cut by about 75% because no one else is going to pay you $480k+ per year to sit on a bench or play back up to put a ball in a net 5 times a game,-then point at the Nets/T'Wolves and add-...or barely even win a game...and if you don't like it you can go somewhere else. If you go to Europe and ask that money they'll be bankrupt in no time and even less people would watch so your endorsements won't be crap. Oh btw,soccer is sort of a big deal over there so don't think you'll get much mainstream attention at all. If you think people will still watch over here,two words for you: time difference. Only people watching will be in Hawaii. If you quit 99% of you are not going to get a job that pays as much even at a 75% reduction. Alternatively you can go play at Rucker for exactly $0.00. You get nothing,you lose,good day sirs! [/wonka]

                                Then we'd have a season by now. But like I said,the owners have been very kind and shown great ammounts of mercy especially with the fact 24/30 are not making money. Players...take what you can get and be grateful for it cause you're not gonna get it anywhere else. Kobe etc. made lots of money,they don't have to worry and Kevin Love is rich anyway but what you gonna do Solomon Alabi? See how much the Nigerian National team pays you.

                                Alternatively tell them they get 50% of the profits but hire one of my friends as a cheerleader and pay her enough to make sure the team never actually makes a profit then just have her gift it back to me later.

                                Like I said,straight cut throat and we'd have basketball by now.
                                Last edited by goh; 11-03-2011, 05:20 PM.

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