NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Court_vision]

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Players are the ones who will ultimately lose this. Owners can fill up arenas in other ways and guys out there are now getting out of having to pay Rashard Lewis and Gilbert Arenas their owed 20 million......think any owner is losing sleep over that?

Ultimately the players have no leverage...only choice is to go overseas (major superstars only will get decent money) or start their own league (would cost billions + lose a lot the first few years).

This is going to get really ugly if the players hold their stance. No season at all etc...and who knows what after that.

Somewhere out there there has to be a player or two scrathcing their heads and thinking "i make $5 million a year and I'm on strike? WTF".

Average NBA career is 4 years........if we lose a season, some players are losing 1/4 of their life's earnings. Dumb, dumb stuff.

You are ALL millionaires...even with the owners proposals, EVERY PLAYER will still be a multi millionaire...........you've all won life's lottery. None of you will ever have to work double shifts for low pay or worry about feeding your kids.

And you want more

[Court_vision]

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And as someone who follows basketball worldwide, I can tell you that most leagues have "import quotas" and are very strict with imports who get badly hurt.

The first NBA superstar who blows out a knee and then gets "cut" (sent home with no pay + no rehab assistance) is going to get a lot of them realising just how lucky they have it in the NBA.

[Jasong7777]

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I feel bad for Delonte.

[The 24th Letter]

I don't care what they do or don't do or what people think or don't think in general. I'm going to voice my opinion to whoever I need to voice my opinion to regardless. You've known me for four, five years now. That's how I am. You should know I couldn't care less if they respond.

yeah, I know your MO....I was drunk off annoyance last night.

make sure you spam Gilbert and Sarver too, they are not the choir boys in this either.

[aholbert32]

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And I sincerely hope that all of these arenas can book events on short notice so that these people don't miss many days of work. It just sucks because a lot of people live pretty tight and a few less days of work is the difference between staying above water or not.

I think it's important for the fans to let everyone know that we're not happy. Check out the blog I wrote on this a few weeks go.

http://www.operationsports.com/clipperfan811/blog/14713-lockout-backlash/

LOL. Most of these arenas already booked a ton of other dates. The Wizards are only missing 3 games right now and have Capitals games and a horse show filling the arena.

[Muzyk23]

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Players aren't on strike. The owners locked it all up.

Nonetheless, the world watches as millionaires clash over sums foreign to average joes.

[HealyMonster]

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You know after 1994, I just never liked baseball the same anymore. Given, that was when I went from 12-14 so the "magic" of baseball and all that stuff was washing off as well, but the 1994 baseball strike ended my intimate relationship with the sport. In 1993-1994, when baseball was out, I got really into basketball and the Pacers. This was until like 2000, when football became my sport.

Im saying all of this because 2 years ago I started getting back into basketball, and last season really got into it. Add in my team making the playoffs for the first time in a while, and I was NBA's for the taking. Im not saying I was into it more than the NFL, but they had me ready for this season, with my league pass money already in the bank.

This changes everything. I can just tell you, they are prob going to lose me for good if they dont have a season. Not out of vengeance, just out of not caring anymore just like with baseball. I havent read up on any specific details, I just feel like the NBA doesn't care about its fans. Not saying the NFL or anyone else "cares" more than the next guy, but the NBA just has this demeanor to me, that says we dont care.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I really hope you guys show your disgust to the NBA (owners & players) by not $upporting them whenever they do return.

We are all passionate about the sport but clearly they are not passionate about the people who keep it afloat.

Don't just talk about it. Hit them where it hurt$:

Ticket $ales
Jersey $ales

Whenever the NBA does return, you'll have the highest paid players on each team grabbing a mic and saying, 'oh how we love the fans, blah, blah, blah.'

Let them be speaking to empty arenas.

[OSUFan_88]

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I really hope you guys show your disgust to the NBA (owners & players) by not $upporting them whenever they do return.

We are all passionate about the sport but clearly they are not passionate about the people who keep it afloat.

Don't just talk about it. Hit them where it hurt$:

Ticket $ales
Jersey $ales

Whenever the NBA does return, you'll have the highest paid players on each team grabbing a mic and saying, 'oh how we love the fans, blah, blah, blah.'

Let them be speaking to empty arenas.

Too late, already bought NBA 2k12

[Dice]

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I really hope you guys show your disgust to the NBA (owners & players) by not $upporting them whenever they do return.

We are all passionate about the sport but clearly they are not passionate about the people who keep it afloat.

Don't just talk about it. Hit them where it hurt$:

Ticket $ales
Jersey $ales

Whenever the NBA does return, you'll have the highest paid players on each team grabbing a mic and saying, 'oh how we love the fans, blah, blah, blah.'

Let them be speaking to empty arenas.

Don't worry about that. It'll happen when ever they resume play.

Be it that it may be just for show, at least the players are apologizing for their part in this mess. Where are the owners at? Show at least some sympathy for the fans? And I might be wrong but as Stern even addressed the fans with a 'Sorry'?

I know some of you will have a crass attitude towards the apology but at least there is some admittance of players failure in this case. Owners take no part of the blame, huh? This goes to show how blind we are to support guys who could give two ****s about fans.

And just as bigeastbumrush stated, the owners are going to shove the player in the spotlight when play resumes and have them give canned statements of 'We love our fans'. **** that. The players should tell the owners to take their asses out to mid court and start saying something. Let them feel the loud boos they'll get. Because that's what's going to happen.

[ScoobySnax]

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I'm not on either side, but I feel that the player should concede. They have to understand that they're not gonna get those fat contracts anymore. So why not just concede to 50 or 51%? If max contracts capped out at $12MM/year, last time I checked that was pretty damn good.

Also, if the league decided to shut down for good, the owners and the Kobe's, LeBron's and D-Wade's would still be filthy rich and not have to work another day in their lives. However, guys like Mario Chalmers and Roddy Beaubois still should be able to earn a living off of basketball as well. A 50/50 deal still provides that.

On second thought, why not agree to a 50/50 deal and never have to have CBA discussions in the future? Now I haven't thought it all the way through, but why couldn't that be a possibility?

Contradictory, I know, but as a player you should try to maximize your earning potential as well. It just a ****ed up situation all around man.

[aholbert32]

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Don't worry about that. It'll happen when ever they resume play.

Be it that it may be just for show, at least the players are apologizing for their part in this mess. Where are the owners at? Show at least some sympathy for the fans? And I might be wrong but as Stern even addressed the fans with a 'Sorry'?

I know some of you will have a crass attitude towards the apology but at least there is some admittance of players failure in this case. Owners take no part of the blame, huh? This goes to show how blind we are to support guys who could give two ****s about fans.

And just as bigeastbumrush stated, the owners are going to shove the player in the spotlight when play resumes and have them give canned statements of 'We love our fans'. **** that. The players should tell the owners to take their asses out to mid court and start saying something. Let them feel the loud boos they'll get. Because that's what's going to happen.

Stern addressed the fans with a "sorry" when he announced the cancellation. That apology means nothing to me. Neither does Bron or Nash's apology. They were talking that #stand united **** all day and then when Stern drops the hammer on them they want to apologize? GTFOH

Players cant have it both ways. Cant talk about "We are why people come to the arena so we deserve 53%" and then have an issue when the owners push you out and ask you to apologize on behalf of the players and the league.

[aholbert32]

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One thing to remember is that media is much different not than it was in 98. Ive already seen a number of players tweet and leak disgruntled comments to the public. Wait until they start missing checks.

[WTF]

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Stern should tell the players that he'll give them 53% of the BRI, but BRI is now going to include all endorsements received by the players.

Just my $.02.

[Dice]

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Stern should tell the players that he'll give them 53% of the BRI, but BRI is now going to include all endorsements received by the players.

Just my $.02.

Player endorsements in the BRI was talked about in previous discussions. The owners backed WAY off of that due to the fact that it was grounds for huge labor suit.