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    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #2701
    Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

    That would be coupled with Hunter... he didnt even show up to the press conference siting under the weather...lol


    Fisher tries to make it seem like the mediator wasn't doing his job.. thats what he was supposed to do, if you can't work with the neutral guy and you can't work with the NBA then WHO ARE YOU WORKING WITH?

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    • Court_vision
      Banned
      • Oct 2002
      • 8290

      #2702
      Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

      "We need a deal our players can 'exist' in"...D Fisher.

      Every player in the NBA has the opportunity to never work + be a multi millionaire.

      But they can't "exist" in that labor environment

      Honestly, just cancel the whole league. Let the elite guys get their money in china or wherever........and let the 95% of the other guys find jobs in the real world.

      They'll beg to come back in a few years time. The average guy getting $5million a season now will quickly realise just how good they've got it.

      Hell, D Fish has banked over $50 million in his career...all based on being the right guy in the right place...no real skill that sets him apart from the 1000s of ballers who DON'T make it. This guy should be praying before a statue of Stern every freaking night that he's had this chance in life.

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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #2703
        Must of the players dont feel like that though....but I agree theyve lost touch with reality

        Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

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        • Court_vision
          Banned
          • Oct 2002
          • 8290

          #2704
          Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

          Several NBA players responded to a report that Michael Jordan is leading a charge of hardline small market owners.
          "I'm not wearing Jordans no more," Washington Wizards guard Nick Young said. "Can't believe what I just seen and heard from MJ. Elvis Done Left The Building."

          "Damn MJ," Indiana Pacers guard Paul George wondered aloud. "That's how you feel?"

          Klay Thompson replied to George: "You think the 1996 MJ would pull this? Straight hypocrite bro."

          George agreed: "Man straight hypocrite bro.. He should've been the 1st one behind us smh."

          Via Ben Golliver/CBS Sports


          Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1cvQyHgVY

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          • clipperfan811
            Pro
            • Oct 2002
            • 876

            #2705
            Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

            Does anyone have a concrete list of these system issues which "hog tie" these players to a railroad track ala Red Dead Redemption?

            There better be something in there that says, "any player leaving their home town team for Miami agrees to give the owner of the now-screwed team his first born child."

            If there's nothing massively degrading hidden in the system issues then I have only one conclusion. The league has someone on the inside who's pushing the players into holding out so that they can get a hard cap and like 55-60% of BRI.

            A player at the end of his career, with legit clout who's being promised a gm position or an option to become part owner of a team. Other than that I have no idea what's going on here.

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            • mvb34
              S**c*d* P**l C*-Ch*mp**n
              • Jul 2002
              • 8138

              #2706
              Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

              Originally posted by Court_vision
              Several NBA players responded to a report that Michael Jordan is leading a charge of hardline small market owners.
              "I'm not wearing Jordans no more," Washington Wizards guard Nick Young said. "Can't believe what I just seen and heard from MJ. Elvis Done Left The Building."

              "Damn MJ," Indiana Pacers guard Paul George wondered aloud. "That's how you feel?"

              Klay Thompson replied to George: "You think the 1996 MJ would pull this? Straight hypocrite bro."

              George agreed: "Man straight hypocrite bro.. He should've been the 1st one behind us smh."

              Via Ben Golliver/CBS Sports


              Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1cvQyHgVY

              Those guys are funny!! Don't they know he's management now!! lol
              http://www.twitch.tv/mikecharles34

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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203

                #2707
                Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                Originally posted by Court_vision
                Smaller teams would love it IMO. Paying Corey Maggette $5 million...who wants that? .
                The problem I see here is that the smaller market teams gave Maggette that $5 Million. If they don't want to pay guys these contracts, they don't have to. A free market society would only allow them to make bigger messes of themselves.

                I'm not saying the owners are wrong in this negotiation, but the truth is the owners don't know how to handle their own money when free agency opens up. Imagine if there was no league maximum? You'd get Kevin Garnett's mega contract.

                Originally posted by 23
                KBergCBS Ken Berger
                Fisher: "There's no way in the world we'd ever get to 51. So it's not a band."
                This is the statement of the negotiation for me. Fisher without realizing it admitting that the players could never earn 51% in a band. So, basically, they just want more money because they want it.

                In what business does that make sense? If I went to my boss and said: "I know I can only pull in 50% of the revenue here, but I want more than 50% of that going into my pocket," my boss would look at me like I was crazy.

                Everyone already knows this of course. The players, however, somehow do not. But, I guess when a good majority of them have never had to work a regular job because they've been pushed through the basketball system their entire lives, they have nothing to compare their lives to. They don't know what it is to be an employee; they only know what it is to be a performer.

                I feel bad for them. I'm not angry with them, though. When that's the life you know, it's not easy to get a reality check. LeBron is clearly not the only player in the league that feels the rest of us are just losers watching and praising him every night.

                Originally posted by mvb34
                Those guys are funny!! Don't they know he's management now!! lol
                Considering the rest of this negotiation, I'm not sure the players know much of anything.

                People like to get all red-faced when someone they know turns against them after a promotion.

                "He used to be one of us and now he's acting like management or something. He doesn't remember where he came from?"

                No one understands what that's like until they get there. Sure '96 Jordan wouldn't be talking like 2011 Jordan. That's because '96 Jordan was 15 years younger and a player. It's not rocket science.

                "I'm not wearing Jordan's no more." LOL for real. Jordan doesn't need them to. They get them for free anyway.
                Last edited by CMH; 11-06-2011, 09:02 AM.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                • VDusen04
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 13028

                  #2708
                  Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                  Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
                  I've been lurking in this thread and waiting patiently to read the news that the lockout is over. I figured the players would've come to their senses by now and accepted the owners proposal, but apparently they're too dumb to know what's good for them. I'm getting to the point where I'm beginning to accept that their might not be a season. I hope that the players respond to this ultimatum and put an end to the drama, but I'm not holding my breath.

                  The way the players are standing their ground is pure comedy. They have no leverage and no chance of winning this battle. It's almost as if they think that folding their arms and staring at the owners real hard across the negotiating table is going to make a difference. That's basically all their bringing to the discussion right now. They need to come to the realization that the cards just aren't in their hand on this one. Everybody else has.
                  Derek Fisher:

                  Last edited by VDusen04; 11-06-2011, 10:14 AM.

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                  • The 24th Letter
                    ERA
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 39373

                    #2709
                    Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                    From another board:

                    I think the NBA players should just take the deal...and do exactly what they are under contract to do: play basketball.

                    No NBA Cares, no special events, no autographs, no acknowledging the owner or their familys...

                    Just play ball, it's what your under contract to do.
                    Lol

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                    • LingeringRegime
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 17089

                      #2710
                      Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                      Fisher needs to hand the torch over to Battier.

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                      • OSUFan_88
                        Outback Jesus
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 25642

                        #2711
                        Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                        From another board:



                        Lol
                        Sure, why not.

                        The players obviously do not care anyway.

                        I do not understand what is so unacceptable to the players from this proposal. Fisher wouldn't even say what was unacceptable because "there is no deal to take."

                        Whatever. The players, at this point, deserve to be ****ing screwed. And I hope Michael Jordan is leading the owners and laughing in his face. Jordan knows that he was the only reason the NBPA got a good deal in the first place.
                        Too Old To Game Club

                        Urban Meyer is lol.

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                        • WTF
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 20274

                          #2712
                          Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                          Exactly, Jordan is the one who let them have this lucrative deal for the past 10 years... There is nobody in the league who can be the draw that Jordan was, nor is as "golden" to the league as Jordan was.

                          They should have just counted their blessings that they had that deal in the first place.
                          Twitter - WTF_OS
                          #DropMeAFollow

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                          • CharliePrince
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 701

                            #2713
                            Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                            Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
                            I've been lurking in this thread and waiting patiently to read the news that the lockout is over. I figured the players would've come to their senses by now and accepted the owners proposal, but apparently they're too dumb to know what's good for them. I'm getting to the point where I'm beginning to accept that their might not be a season. I hope that the players respond to this ultimatum and put an end to the drama, but I'm not holding my breath.

                            The way the players are standing their ground is pure comedy. They have no leverage and no chance of winning this battle. It's almost as if they think that folding their arms and staring at the owners real hard across the negotiating table is going to make a difference. That's basically all their bringing to the discussion right now. They need to come to the realization that the cards just aren't in their hand on this one. Everybody else has.
                            which is why everyone is blaming the (or should) PLAYERS on this

                            they are delusionally steadfast on 52-48 and REJECTED a 51 offer

                            51 and they reject it

                            ......I'm all for having a season but at this point I'm thinking these players need the hammer to hit them

                            cancel the season if need be, drop it to 43%, teach these ****s a lesson they'll never forget

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                            • TheMatrix31
                              RF
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 52915

                              #2714
                              Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                              Same old song and dance though. It's comical. The owners and Stern outline what its at right now, and then the ******* players say "well, uh, there isnt even a deal to take!" somehow insinuating if there WAS a proposal, that they'd take it or something.

                              My ***. Like they're sitting there and they have no idea what the "official propsal" is at the moment? What, are these losers like the ADD kids in HS who have no idea what's going on in class even though the teacher is CLEARLY saying what the lesson plan is?

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                              • aholbert32
                                (aka Alberto)
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 33106

                                #2715
                                Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

                                Quick Thoughts:

                                - I turned off twitter and stopped visiting this thread the minute I read Jordan, Allen and Kessler were there. I knew there was no way a deal would get done with them in the room.

                                - If we are talking about fairness and not leverage, I'm clearly on the players' side now when it comes to the BRI debate. The last offer they made (51% with the last 1% going to a retired player's fund) was more than fair. 51 is where the deal should be made but the owners are going for blood now.

                                - I now accept that there probably won't be a season this year. There is no way that Hunter, Fisher and Kessler will allow the current proposal to go for a vote. They are too deep in now and not willing to lose face by folding. I'm actually a little in shock. I've never witnessed a bunch of players who are less self aware and willing to cut off their nose to spite their face.

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