NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[AbdulCs]

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Its an empty threat.

What do you mean? a threat is a threat no?

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I think its empty as well...its not what he really wants nor is it what he's working for.

Time is just getting short so he is saying that as a look get something done and get it done fast

Im with PP though, wasn't that optimisitic on last weeks talks either, and where is Sheridan and those guys right now lol

[TripleCrown9]

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If he goes insane and cancels the season, isn't he, in a way, jobless as well? I realize he'd still be commissioner, but he wouldn't have anything to do, would he?

[yankeesgiants]

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If he goes insane and cancels the season, isn't he, in a way, jobless as well? I realize he'd still be commissioner, but he wouldn't have anything to do, would he?

Was Gary Bettman out of a job when he nixed an entire NHL season? Nope.

[The 24th Letter]

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Now ya'll see why I was never as optimistic as ya'll were LOL.

Even after all that "good news" came out last week, ain't no way in hell they were gonna settle all of that and come to an agreement in a week. Especially when neither of them had shown any signs PERIOD of backing off each other's demands.

And all of a sudden NOW Kobe, Lebron, Durant and Wade want to be apart of the talks? Where the **** were ya'll ***es while this whole thing was going on? Honestly, you might as well just stay home because it ain't like any of you will impact the Owners demands.

This is why I didn't get too invested in this nor put too much credence into what guys like Sheridan and Broussard and Berger because I had a feeling before the beginning of last year that games were going to be missed. In the NFL, anybody that followed that knew damn well that they were not going to miss any games(Regular Season and Preseason)mainly because of the amount of $$$ and once that issue with the TV Contracts was taken care of by the Courts. Not to mention you got Owners out there that NEEDED a season to happen(see Jones, Jerruh as one example). In this situation, you got Owners out here who could give two ***** if a Season is lost, much less the Preseason.

Season aint cancelled yet Pack.

No matter how useless you thought those meetings were, they put us in field position for this shot at the endzone Friday LOL. Sides were backed off at least somewhat.

Kobe and Bron (that I know) have had an active part all of this....not sure what you mean by NOW they want to be involved.

I take both the good and bad reports with a grain or salt, so this mood now doesnt affect me in the slightest, it was just positive again earlier today, LOL....I dont get too up or too down.

Anyway, well see what happens.....looking forward to Friday....If we end up getting bad news, at least im getting 2k12 early, LOL

EDIT: Not to hop on the NFL subject again, but its easy to say NOW you knew the season was on all along....even you werent optimistic in that thread sir.

[Dice]

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During the NFL lockout, that was about as unpredictable as anyone could see. I really don't think anyone was absolutely sure that the season was going to start on time. Some were even predicting lost games for the NFL. BUT I agree that missing games or even cancelling the season would have been idiotic for the NFL.

[aholbert32]

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What do you mean? a threat is a threat no?

No a threat isn't always a threat. Its October. Stern would be an absolute fool to cancel the season in October. The NHL didn't cancel theirs until January. During the last lockout it was December before any one even considered canceling the season.

This is Stern trying to either force the players to take a horrible deal (47% of the BRI is horrible) or force them to stop docking around with their 54% and no hard or flex cap demand.....or both. I can easily see negotiations falling through this wknd and Stern canceling the first two weeks of the season. I can't see him canceling the whole season in October.

[aholbert32]

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I think its empty as well...its not what he really wants nor is it what he's working for.

Time is just getting short so he is saying that as a look get something done and get it done fast

Im with PP though, wasn't that optimisitic on last weeks talks either, and where is Sheridan and those guys right now lol

I'm still somewhat optimistic. Not as optimistic as I was a few days ago though.

[cmebfresh]

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After watching fisher face on nba.com video it looks like the union have no choice but to agree on something this weekend. Can't Wait

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I'm still somewhat optimistic. Not as optimistic as I was a few days ago though.

Yeah I dont believe any of them wants the season cancelled but I do believe the owners would sacrifice some games to get what they want

When the season does resume i think we'll all wonder what the fuss was about in the first place

[clipperfan811]

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/70...ssibly-weekend

"According to Bucher's sources, owners did not offer players a finite annual team limit on salaries but as of Tuesday night were willing to relax the cap only if certain conditions are met.

Those conditions include:

• The "Larry Bird exception," which allows teams to exceed the cap to retain their own free agents regardless of their other committed salaries, is limited to one player per team per season.

• The mid-level exception, which the league valued at $7.4 million last season and could be extended by as many as five years, is reduced in length and size.

• The current luxury tax, the $1-for-$1 penalty a team must pay to the league for the amount it exceeds the salary cap, is to be severely increased.

In last week's negotiating session, the owners proposed that the players' share of basketball-related income, or BRI, be sliced from 57 percent to 46 percent, and a source told Broussard that the players were offered 48 percent of BRI on Tuesday.

The owners also want a 5 percent reduction on all existing salaries for this season, a 7.5 percent reduction of all 2012-13 salaries and 10 percent reduction of 2013-14 salaries, a source said."

I can't see the NBAPA accepting that offer. There's no hard cap but that's a lot to give up.

The Larry Bird exception should have been like that from the start. The mid-level exception reduction is also a good thing for the game because without those two loopholes owners have to think out their decisions a little more. It's no secret that fans want these over-bloated contracts to stop happening so frequently.

The Luxury tax increase is also fair, I don't know about this 4 tier monster there have been rumors about but a dollar for dollar tier and a double tier should really halt all but the most committed/half insane owners. Just make it so once you cross that second tier your penalty goes up not just on what you go over on the second tier but the whole thing.

As far as salary roll backs that's a B***** move, the owners need to man up to the contracts they signed.

It seems a little too unfair to drop 10% for the players split but if it ends up being 50-50 or lose a season and we lose the season I'd be more pissed at the players than the owners.

[aholbert32]

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I think its empty as well...its not what he really wants nor is it what he's working for.

Time is just getting short so he is saying that as a look get something done and get it done fast

Im with PP though, wasn't that optimisitic on last weeks talks either, and where is Sheridan and those guys right now lol

Here is Sheridan's new column:

http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/09/29/nba-lockout-settlement/

[OSUFan_88]

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Roger Mason Jr.: Players willing to go lower
September, 29, 2011

By Henry Abbott
ESPN.com

The Knicks guard and Players Association's vice president tells ESPN New York's Jared Zwerling that players have offered to reduce their income from last year's 57 percent of basketball-related income to 54 percent, and are willing to go further, so long as they can avoid a hard cap.
"We're not going to allow the soft cap to take on the system," Mason Jr. said. "I'm hopeful that even with whatever system changes they want to make, that stays intact because I know what our guys want to do."

Mason Jr. said where the union has shown a willingness to compromise has been with the issue of Basketball Related Income (BRI) -- and they'd loosen their reigns even more, down from 54 percent, if that's what it takes to start a season. He's hopeful this weekend that the divide in revenue split will be tackled.

"I know that we're willing to take on some of the relief because of what's going in America," Mason Jr. said. "We would go down from that 54 -- I don't know what that number is -- but I know that if it's going to get a deal done, we would be willing to compromise even more."

Mason adds that he's bringing his "positive energy" to Friday's meetings, and hopes the owners are doing the same.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/32170/roger-mason-jr-players-willing-to-go-lower

Some good news.

[triangleoffense]

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CHICAGO (AP) -- The way Derrick Rose sees it, the NBA lockout is unnecessary and he will consider playing overseas if it drags on.
For now, the Chicago Bulls' star hopes the season can be salvaged, but he also made this clear.

"There's no reason why billionaires and millionaires should be arguing about money," he said. "There are other things in this world that we should be arguing about, but money shouldn't be the problem."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1ZNiIhapo

[da ThRONe]

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CHICAGO (AP) -- The way Derrick Rose sees it, the NBA lockout is unnecessary and he will consider playing overseas if it drags on.
For now, the Chicago Bulls' star hopes the season can be salvaged, but he also made this clear.

"There's no reason why billionaires and millionaires should be arguing about money," he said. "There are other things in this world that we should be arguing about, but money shouldn't be the problem."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1ZNiIhapo

It's easy for the guy who makes a ton to say this. What about the other guys who make or near the league minimal. These are going to be the ones affect the most by this. Not a guy making 8 figures per year just on basketball salary.