NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[The 24th Letter]

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At least no one questions the legitimacy of NFL games.

**waits for someone to throw in reference to Super Bowl XL**

see NFL froum when someones team is losing.

[phenom1990]

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At least no one questions the legitimacy of NFL games.

**waits for someone to throw in reference to Super Bowl XL**

How about the Tuck Rule Game? I'm sure I can think of others but I rather not just so I can enjoy the NFL product more.

[TheMatrix31]

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see NFL froum when someones team is losing.

How about the Tuck Rule Game? I'm sure I can think of others but I rather not just so I can enjoy the NFL product more.

Pales, PALES in comparison to what happens in the NBA. And the Tuck Rule game didn't make anyone question the legitimacy of the games being played. It questioned a stupid rule. Just like the Denver/SD Hochuli game and the "Calvin" game last year.

[Dice]

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Pales, PALES in comparison to what happens in the NBA. And the Tuck Rule game didn't make anyone question the legitimacy of the games being played. It questioned a stupid rule. Just like the Denver/SD Hochuli game and the "Calvin" game last year.

There was no stupid rule for the Hochuli game. He blew his whistle to call the play dead AFTER Cutler fumbled the ball and the Chargers recovered. Hochuli himself said he affected the outcome of that game.

And are you kidding me with Superbowl XL? You must have blinders on for you not to dismiss that game as fishy.

[The 24th Letter]

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There was no stupid rule for the Hochuli game. He blew his whistle to call the play dead AFTER Cutler fumbled the ball and the Chargers recovered. Hochuli himself said he affected the outcome of that game.

And are you kidding me with Superbowl XL? You must have blinders on for you not to dismiss that game as fishy.

No doubt. LOL.

Thats how it is though, and maybe its the NBAs on fault but...

A missed call in the NBA is "OMG Donaghy!!"

Same thing w\ the Lockout.....you would think the NFLs Lockout had nothing to do w\ money.

[TheMatrix31]

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There was no stupid rule for the Hochuli game. He blew his whistle to call the play dead AFTER Cutler fumbled the ball and the Chargers recovered. Hochuli himself said he affected the outcome of that game.

And are you kidding me with Superbowl XL? You must have blinders on for you not to dismiss that game as fishy.

No doubt. LOL.

Thats how it is though, and maybe its the NBAs on fault but...

A missed call in the NBA is "OMG Donaghy!!"

Same thing w\ the Lockout.....you would think the NFLs Lockout had nothing to do w\ money.

Again I say....barely a few examples in football. HOW MANY do we have of the NBA? It's not even CLOSE.

[Dice]

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Again I say....barely a few examples in football. HOW MANY do we have of the NBA? It's not even CLOSE.

Don't short change the NFL on bad officiating(or fixing games as you see it in the NBA).

This guy seems to provide some real good examples of bad refereeing(or fixing games in NBA speak):

http://www.provencehome.org/refsuck/pages/history.html

http://refsuck.com/

Just a few examples from his site:

2005 DIVISIONAL PLAYOFF - STEELERS @ COLTS: Incompetence, ignorance, and absurdity only begin to describe the officiating in Sunday's Steelers-Colts matchup. Never mind the interference that wasn't called on a 2nd quarter deep pass to Steeler receiver Randle El with Pittsburgh up 14-0 and going for the jugular. The real fun started in 4th quarter with two of the worse examples of NFL officiating I've ever seen.

First, with the Steelers leading 21-10 midway thru the 4th quarter and trying to run out the clock, Pittsburgh lined up for a critical 4th and 1 near mid-field. Prior to the snap, Steeler lineman Alan Faneca moved, causing 4 Colts players to jump into the Steeler line. Whistles blew, the officials stepped in, and huddled. The result? The NFL's first ever "do-over". I've never seen a "do-over" in the NFL. Is that a new rule? Hell, the last time I saw a "do-over" was about 20 years ago playing football in the park with a bunch of friends and my buddy Alex caught a pass near the sideline, represented by an imaginary line between two trees. We really couldn't tell if he was in or out, so we called a "do-over". Seems like the NFL would be a bit more structured. One would expect the officials to enforce the rules... it's either a false start on the offense of offsides on the defense. It's never, ever a "do-over". "Faneca did twitch" said announcer Dan Dierdorf.

"Do-over's" aside, the most outrageous call came later in the 4th. The Colts still down 21-10 with under 6 minutes remaining, Pittsburgh Safety Troy Polamalu intercepted Peyton Manning near mid-field. Replay clearly shows Polamalu intercepting the pass, taking two steps, falling to the ground untouched, rolling over, and losing the ball as he tried to stand back up. Polamalu fell on the loose ball. The call on the field was interception, fumble, Steelers football. Desperate, the Colts challenged and along came referee Peter Morelli..."Before he got up he hit it with his leg with his other leg still on the ground," Morelli told a pool reporter after the game. "Therefore, he did not complete the catch. And then he lost the ball. It came out and so we made the play an incomplete pass." With new life, Indy scored just over a minute later to make it a 21-18 game.

The NFL later admitted the call was wrong, but how in the world is an NFL referee capable of overturning such a play? It was blatantly obvious to anyone that Polamalu intercepted the pass, yet the call gets overturned despite the requirement that replay must show "incontrovertible visual evidence" to reverse a decision.

Tuesday, January 4, 2011
Another imaginary first down

It's emerging as the latest trend with NFL officials...9 yard first downs. For the second time this season I've witnessed a running back stopped a full yard short of a first down, but mistakenly granted a first down by officials.

The latest victim, the St Louis Rams.

With the division title and a playoff spot on the line, the Seahawks led 13-6 with about five minutes remaining. Desperate for a stop, the Rams stuffed running back Michael Robinson on second and short. Yet instead of 3rd and a yard, the officials reset first down, thus extending the Seahawks drive and ability to run off more time.

Seattle eventually kicked a field goal on the drive to ice the 16-6 win.

Granted, Seattle would have had another shot to pick up the first and were in field goal range anyway, albeit a long field goal, but is it really that hard for officials to keep track of 10 yards?

Tuesday, October 26, 2010
Shiancoe, Vikings robbed

Well it's not the first time, and I'm sure it won't be the last time the officials screw over the Vikings in Green Bay.

The latest example of officials unable to judge a touchdown catch cost the Vikings in a 28-24 loss. Viking TE Visanthe Shiancoe made the catch, but part of the ball touched the ground as Shaincoe landed. The original call on the field was touchdown, yet despite the lack of "irrefutable visual evidence" to overturn the call on replay, the Green Bay challenge was upheld. The Viking settled for a field goal.

According to Vikings head coach Brad Childress, the league's director of officials has admitted referee Scott Green should not have overturned the touchdown catch.

Little good that does. Note how the league made no public announcement the official blew the call, but privately admitted the mistake to the Vikings.

[TheMatrix31]

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Interesting. Would love to see a site like that for the NBA.

But just to make a point clear, there's a difference between bad officiating and referees (or the league) blatantly fixing games.

Game 6 of the 2002 WCF, Game 3 of the 2007 Western Semis were examples of the referees (or the league) blatantly fixing games.

There's no real proof that those NFL examples are part of actual corruption. Just ****ty officiating. Super Bowl XL is really the only truly inexplicable refereeing game that I can recall off the top of my head.

[King_B_Mack]

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Interesting. Would love to see a site like that for the NBA.

But just to make a point clear, there's a difference between bad officiating and referees (or the league) blatantly fixing games.

Game 6 of the 2002 WCF, Game 3 of the 2007 Western Semis were examples of the referees (or the league) blatantly fixing games.

There's no real proof that those NFL examples are part of actual corruption. Just ****ty officiating. Super Bowl XL is really the only truly inexplicable refereeing game that I can recall off the top of my head.

Maytch you're awesome. Love your posts, like getting your take on things. However this post is ridiculous. Anybody that knows me knows that I bitch about that Game 6 all the time as if the Bulls got screwed in that game or something and I'm not saying it wasn't the refs or league fixing things, but how is that game full of terrible calls blatantly fixing games and the NFL's absolutely terrible calls just good old fashioned incompetence? There's no real proof that Game 6 was some kind of actual corruption other than some d-bag ex ref pointing out a game full of crap calls and claiming it fixed to give himself some credibility. Again not saying there wasn't foul play or that Donaghy was lying, but you can't sit here and say the NBA's worst officiated games are proof of corruption while the NFLs worst officiated games are just bad calls with no real proof of corruption.

[TheMatrix31]

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All anyone needs to do is watch that game to see something was amiss. Something beyond bad officiating.

Whatever though, I'll drop it and bow out of the discussion.

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I wonder how many NBA posts were in that NFL lockout sticky


Thats what I want to know...

[Dice]

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Nice well written piece on NBA economics and the Nets, David Stern's example of a bleeding franchise. He pokes many holes in Stern's theory of why franchises are bleeding money. And to note, majority of it is not related to escalating players salaries nor is it market location. Take a read and see for yourself.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7021031/the-nets-nba-economics

[aholbert32]

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Thats a good article by Gladwell but the issue Stern would have with it is owners consider their franchises to be businesses nota purchase similar to an art collection.

Good news is negotiations start again tomorrow afternoon.

[Dice]

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Thats a good article by Gladwell but the issue Stern would have with it is owners consider their franchises to be businesses nota purchase similar to an art collection.

Good news is negotiations start again tomorrow afternoon.

And that's the major problem most of the owners(and some people who side with them) have when it comes to owning an NBA team. Especially if it's a team that's not in a major market. Your not guaranteed one dime of profits. In the small market area of the NBA, I've yet to see a small market team turn a profit when their on-court product is crappy. NOW having a winning ball club doesn't guarantee profitability BUT if you want a chance of making money you better have a good team because crappy small market teams make nothing in profits.

[OSUFan_88]

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FYI, they are meeting again today.