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The players deserve this.Comment
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The players never had any leverage to begin with. They thought they did. But they don't. None. 0. Nil. Nadda. Zip. Thus the inherent problem in all this. That's why I've been saying at least this season will be cancelled from the beginning. They might come to their senses after that. The other alternative is the owners will realize the players don't have any leverage at all and a deal will easily be made after that.Comment
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I can't even begin to tell you how many friends I've got who have been turned off the NBA by all this. Billionaires v Millionaires in a time where people are just getting by = W T F. Just wrong on so many levels.
Even as a basketball junkie, I am at the point where I am starting to really dislike a lot of the people involved in this. Just a bad vibe.
If the season is lost, it will set the NBA back a decade. Many fans won't return.Comment
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Fans also deserve it, buying into the system, hype, and all the bull**** when it's been severely flawed for years and years.
Arena workers don't deserve it, but thank goodness there are many other events at these areas to take the spots of bball games.Comment
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I dont feel sorry for any of them losing money
And watch the big stars go touring getting paid millions as the majority of the players are stuck with the consequences listening to them standing united and going broke
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I've been following this loosely. I'm a big NBA fan, but stuff like this doesn't interest me, in fact it almost disgusts me. Especially with things the way they are in the economy right now. As I already posted early, the momentum from last year is gone and I've officially taken the side of the owners after the latest talks and comments from not only Fisher but Hunter as well.
I was reading the article posted on ESPN when I came across a couple nuggets:
"We've spent the last few days making our best effort to try and find a resolution here. Not one that was necessarily a win-win. It wouldn't be a win for us. It wouldn't be a win for them. But one that we felt like would get our game back ... and get our guys back on the court, get our vendors back to work, get the arenas open, get these communities revitalized," Fisher said.
"And in our opinion, that's not what the NBA and the league is interested in at this point. They're interested in telling you one side of the stories that are not true and this is very serious to us. This is not in any way about ego. There are a lot of people's livelihoods at stake separate from us."
"We're not prepared to let them impose a system on us that eliminates guarantees, reduces contract lengths, diminishes all our increases," he said. "We're saying no way. We fought too long and made too many sacrifices to get where we are."
I mean have the players really given their best effort? If they TRULY cared about all the other people involved would we still be here talking about this?
Also, fought to long to get where? Overpaid and overvalued?
Like I said, I don't know many details but it just seems like greed has gotten to the union and they are thinking they have some kind of leverage when they really don't.
I keep hearing about the 50-50 BRI split being the biggest issue? Can someone tell me, is this really THAT bad of a deal for the players that there is NO WAY they should take it? That it is such a blasphemous request from the owners that the union HAS to turn it down?
It seems like the owners have made compromises, for instance with the MLE but the players refuese to because they think they are owed something.Comment
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They let kg and kobe and pierce and wade come to one meeting and tell them not to take anything less than 53%... So they never moved from it and neither did the owners so here we are
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I don't mean to jump on the player-hating bandwagon but the player's lack of common sense baffles me. Their best deal was two weeks ago, they was warned that it wasn't going to get any better. And yet they still decided to press on and not go lower than 52.5. Then you have the 20 superstars who want to go on a world tour, not realizing that they are hurting the NBPA more than helping it.
I mean, these superstars really think its going to do good for their brand to go to other countries and play while the rest of their union is losing money and continue to "negotiate" in the states? Then they schedule no games in America, the same place that all the fans that support them reside and pay their salaries. It makes no sense. What they should of done was do a US tour in 20 cities for the whole month of November and raised money for the ticket employees. That would've at least helped their public image.
The other sad thing is I feel that the superstars who are vets and are pushing for this whole unity stance is influencing and even intimidating the younger players in to speaking out. First Rose says the RIGHT thing by saying that its a Billionaires Vs Millionaires battle and he hopes it ends. Now he places the blame on the owners. John Wall then recently comes out and says the same thing, after previously saying nothing.
And to add to my feelings on D. Rose, I think he is making himself look very greedy and hypocritical with the fact that, when he was originally approach to play in the pickup/streetball games that other players organized that the players didn't get paid from, he said that he wasn't into those type of games. Now that he is getting paid on this world tour he all of a sudden wants to play in them? Really?
I'm starting to lose all the respect I had for the players. I expected this from the owners. They want an NHL system and they will eventually get it. Like Steven A Smith said, the owners have been hurting for years, due to their own stupidity by signing the deal in 1998, but now its the players' turn. No matter how hard they try to fight it, the players will lose. Its inevitable.Comment
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That's the thing, if this was a REAL union then all money those guys are getting for those one off "exhibition" games would be going into a Union fighting fund and distributed to all members. "Stand United" = absolute BS.
The elite guys like LeBron, Wade, Chris Paul, Melo etc all just want a system where they can form superteams and to hell with small markets and competition. They can sit it out because they've got millions coming in anyway via endorsements and million dollar appearance fees.
Meanwhile, the low profile players are just sitting by passively accepting this crap.Comment
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Hunter Says Heat, Lakers, Knicks and Mavericks Owners Want To Make A Deal.Comment
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Which basically means those crap statements by fisher means nothing. Yall got overpaid because of somebody elses negotiations and hard work
I love how billy is playing dumb when they told him from jumpstreet what they wanted .. He's airing this, nonsense to save face and his cushy job
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What a sad day for the sport. Oh well.
Go Heels!!!Comment
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What he said.I don think the owners are gonna budge from this point.They might aswell accept it now and save themselves from losin even that much more money.
For every Kobe and Lebron there are 10 more mid level and lower guys.These guys have car payments,house payments,moms house payments,child support etc etc etc.These are the guys that are and will be hurtin the most.I meanthe players really dont have any leverage.To cancel games up to Christmas would be extremely ruff on more then half the players in the league.They need to give in until things get way worseComment
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