NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[A.I]

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I'm not sure if these was posted but if they were my mistake.

They said there losing 300 million.. We have them 350 per yr plus were taking paycuts,obviously it's not enough.So please get Ur facts right-Jered Dudley -twitter

It's easy to call players selfish.Fans don't know who's selfish or not.They don't me or most NBA players.. U just see we make a lot of money-Jered Dudley -twitter

I know 75k is more money then what most people would make but this is the NBA a billion dollar industry, stop comparing to other jobs-Jered Dudley -twitter

I would never compare my Job to a teacher or a Doctor.. That Job is more valuable..we do make more only cuz of u the fans!!-Jered Dudley -twitter

Honestly , this guy is a fool.

[SidVish]

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Um yeah, It could be a threat but I wouldn't put it past these owners to void every single contract

I wouldn't be willing to call Stern's bluff and risk losing my entire contract by decertifying. Stern knows what he's doing and is always a step ahead. You know what happens when you play with fire.

[Bondgirl0072]

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Will there even be a season this year or not? If so, how many games will be played?

[aholbert32]

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Forgive my ignorance, but didn't the NBA already open their books?

They did. He's clueless.

[aholbert32]

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Um yeah, It could be a threat but I wouldn't put it past these owners to void every single contract

Kash,

I guarantee you thats the next step they take if they decertify. Thats the reason they filed a motion for a declaratory judgment a few months ago to prevent the union from decertifying. They want the court to either 1) prevent them from decertifying or 2) state that if they can decertify, all contracts are null and void.

The players need to get educated QUICK. This can turn really ugly if they miss a year.

[CMH]

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I have a question for those with the knowledge to understand this.

Let's assume the following happens:

1. The players decertify the union.
2. The players go to court.
3. The players win.

Okay, that's basically the hopeful resolution to the players looking to decertify (exception being the owners agree to a player-sided deal to avoid court time).

Would the Player's Union seize to exist AND would the players still receive any BRI assuming all of the above?

[AgentKiwi38]

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Will there even be a season this year or not? If so, how many games will be played?

Next couple of days are crucial. Player union has a offer, if they accept we have a 72 game season starting Dec. 15. If they won't the season is gone.

And I honestly think the players are stupid enough to not take it.
And that's why I prepare myself for NBA basketball to begin on Okt. 30th 2012.

Sad, but that's likely gonna be the case...

[TN3LL]

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AlexKennedyNBA Alex Kennedy
A dozen NBA players discussed decertification on a conference call yesterday, and many players have signed petition

[DoubleJ13]

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I'm not sure if these was posted but if they were my mistake.

They said there losing 300 million.. We have them 350 per yr plus were taking paycuts,obviously it's not enough.So please get Ur facts right-Jered Dudley -twitter

It's easy to call players selfish.Fans don't know who's selfish or not.They don't me or most NBA players.. U just see we make a lot of money-Jered Dudley -twitter

I know 75k is more money then what most people would make but this is the NBA a billion dollar industry, stop comparing to other jobs-Jered Dudley -twitter

I would never compare my Job to a teacher or a Doctor.. That Job is more valuable..we do make more only cuz of u the fans!!-Jered Dudley -twitter

Honestly , this guy is a fool.

Jared Dudley said nothing wrong here. Except the part about being selfish.

They said there losing 300 million.. We have them 350 per yr plus were taking paycuts,obviously it's not enough.So please get Ur facts right

The players are at 50/50 so the owners are all going to come out ahead, regardless of if they even try to be competitive.

I know 75k is more money then what most people would make but this is the NBA a billion dollar industry, stop comparing to other jobs

He's right you can't compare being a NBA player to anything else, other than being another form of athlete/entertainer.

I would never compare my Job to a teacher or a Doctor.. That Job is more valuable..we do make more only cuz of u the fans!!

They make more because NBA teams have some pretty dumb people in their front office making decisions. You can't be mad at players for taking the contracts they are offered even if everyone looking says they overpaid. Jared Dudley just got an extension making $4,250,000 a year until 2015/2016 (player option), I personally don't think he is worth that amount but the Suns did. But the Suns also think Josh Childress should be making $6,000,000 (this season if there is one) & up to $7,317,500 (player option that he will obviously accept) in 2014/2015, so they don't make smart decisions.

[TN3LL]

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NBA Saturday: Threat of Decertification
By Alex Kennedy
NBA Writer
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On Thursday, the NBA presented a revised proposal to the NBPA and extended their ultimatum to Tuesday afternoon. If the union rejects this offer after meeting with their executive committee and team representatives on Monday, the league’s next proposal will be significantly worse for the players since it’ll include a 53-47 split in favor of the owners and a flex cap among other restrictive elements.

Multiple sources close to the NBPA insist that they won’t accept the offer, which leaves the players with limited options going forward. They could try to call Stern’s bluff, as they did last week, but how many times will that work? Rather than continuing this stare off, there are a growing number of players who are interested in exploring the possibility of dissolving the union.

Yesterday, a dozen players were on a conference call that focused primarily on decertification. Agents are now working together to organize these calls and collect signatures for a decertification petition. Players have received the form by mail in recent weeks and have been encouraged to send the signed document back to their agent.

The agents need about 130 signatures to file paperwork with the National Labor Relations Board, which would force a vote to dissolve the union within 45 days. Agents have reportedly received over 200 signatures so decertification is looming if the NBA and NBPA continue to experience setbacks.

Even if the players don’t ultimately vote for decertification, expect the paperwork to be filed in the near future. That’s because the players hope the threat of decertification will make the owners change their proposal during that 45-day waiting period. Do the owners really want to enter an ugly legal battle over these relatively minor system issues? The players hope that decertification can be avoided and the threat alone will affect the NBA’s next proposal.

There is some star power behind the decertification movement. Paul Pierce has organized calls and players such as Dwyane Wade and Dwight Howard are reportedly on board. Deron Williams has also shown his support, tweeting that he’s supported decertification since July.

But are the owners really scared of the possibility of decertification? Last night, Stern did a nationally-televised interview with ESPN and threatened that all guaranteed contracts could be voided if players decide to dissolve the union.

“[Decertification] is actually calculated to, one, [serve] as a tactic to improve their bargaining position and, two, making it even more likely that there won’t be a season,” Stern said. “If the union is not in existence, then neither are $4 billion worth of guaranteed contracts that are entered into under condition that there’s a union. So if the agents insist on playing with fire, my guess is that they would get themselves burned.”

“I refuse to contemplate the loss of a season,” he continued. “It’s going to be too painful for the players and the owners alike. But we’ll still be here, we’ll pick up the pieces and do the best we can under the circumstances. That’s not an eventuality that I anticipate or look forward to. It’s all in the hands of the players.”

If Stern does yield all guaranteed contracts nonexistent, he can expect many more legal battles in his near future. Several agents insist that they’ll file lawsuits if contracts are voided as a result of decertification.

The players are going to lose this game, just take a look at all of the concessions they’ve made throughout this process. But the owners don’t want a win, they want a blowout. They want the basketball-related income split in their favor and the system issues more restrictive than in recent years. The threat of decertification may be the only way that the players can walk away from this with some of the system revisions they’ve asked the NBA to consider. Whether or not the owners will budge remains to be seen. There’s no mercy rule in labor negotiations.

[aholbert32]

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I have a question for those with the knowledge to understand this.

Let's assume the following happens:

1. The players decertify the union.
2. The players go to court.
3. The players win.

Okay, that's basically the hopeful resolution to the players looking to decertify (exception being the owners agree to a player-sided deal to avoid court time).

Would the Player's Union seize to exist AND would the players still receive any BRI assuming all of the above?

What would likely happen is that the players would be given significant damages (talking about hundreds of millions). The owners would immediately appeal and want to negotiate a lesser settlement. Or they would continue with their appeal and take their chances that the court will reverse the lower court's decision.

With that said, the chances of this reaching trial is zero. If the union decertifies, they will immediately file a injunction asking the court to force the league to lift the lockout. If the union wins (and survives an appeal), the court will lift the lockout, the season will begin and the owners will lose significant leverage because they will not have an ability to lockout the players.

[CMH]

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“It’s going to be too painful for the players and the owners alike. But we’ll still be here, we’ll pick up the pieces and do the best we can under the circumstances."

Stern, you clever fox.

The NBA would exist. The players will just need to be replaced.

I know some guys don't find that feasible, but it really is. There are thousands of people able to play the game of basketball and none of the rookies are part of the union either.

Plus, the existing players can always sign on their own if they really want to play.

[CMH]

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If the union wins (and survives an appeal), the court will lift the lockout, the season will begin and the owners will lose significant leverage because they will not have an ability to lockout the players.

So, would they just act under the former CBA while they negotiate a new one?

[TN3LL]

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ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Anonymous source at table tells @briancmahoney many around the league "can't believe" players would reject deal: tinyurl.com/86cc22m

[TN3LL]

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alanhahn Alan Hahn
It's amusing how @KingJames and @carmeloanthony were ridiculed for lack of loyalty. Owners similarly protecting self-interests. #NBA