NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

**J_Posse** · 11-12-2011, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by CMH

Stern, you clever fox.

The NBA would exist. The players will just need to be replaced.

I know some guys don't find that feasible, but it really is. There are thousands of people able to play the game of basketball and none of the rookies are part of the union either.

Plus, the existing players can always sign on their own if they really want to play.

Buddy, those scabs wouldn't touch the level of talent/skill present in today's NBA -especially at the top tier - and fan support would quickly wane. This really isn't a chicken or egg issue, both sides need each other to be successful. Or do you really want to see NBA D-League, U.S. minor league and lower-level Euro league talent masquerading as the L.A. Lakers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs, Dallas Mavericks, etc.?

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**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 01:08 PM

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HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
David Falk says it's time for union to send NBA offer to full membership for vote

HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Falk: “it would be a complete abdication of responsibility as agents for anyone to suggest that the players as a group shouldn’t vote"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/12/sp...atum.html?_r=1

Falk is the agent of player rep Toney Douglas

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 01:11 PM

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ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
League is peddling information that no team will be over the tax line late in the CBA. That is interesting. Rolling that around in my head

**aholbert32** · 11-12-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by CMH

So, would they just act under the former CBA while they negotiate a new one?

Correct. Old rules would apply.

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 01:22 PM

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powellshaun Shaun Powell
Source told me if full membership votes on the owner's deal, NBA would open for business by Wednesday.

powellshaun Shaun Powell
Source added that the rank-and-file want to play, uninterested in decertifying or additional negotiations.

powellshaun Shaun Powell
Source: "This the best deal the owners will extend, everyone understands that."

powellshaun Shaun Powell
Source said the proposed 51-49 revenue breakdown will only get worse, so players want to play.

powellshaun Shaun Powell
There are 2 segments to union: the reps and the silent majority.

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 01:30 PM

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HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
If union wants players/agents to be able to make intelligent decision on NBA proposal, it needs to distribute full, detailed offer.

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 01:34 PM

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i think its really unprofessional how the player reps arent giving the players all the information

**rockchisler** · 11-12-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by TN3LL

i think its really unprofessional how the player reps arent giving the players all the information

Post all detailed info online on NBA.com so the players have no excuse saying they did not see or have all the info.....

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 01:41 PM

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Larry Coon Believes Players Will Accept Proposal By Narrow Margin
Nov 11, 2011 12:23 PM EST

CBA expert Larry Coon believes the owners and players essentially have an agreement.

"They've essentially had an agreement for a long time," writes Coon. "It didn't take a crystal ball to see where they would eventually land on the BRI split and system issues. But they still needed to do the dance that gets them there."

But Coon also believes the decision currently facing the players is their biggest one yet.

"Since the stakes rise over time, this is their biggest decision thus far. But it's possible there are bigger decisions yet to come."

While David Stern said on Thursday that the owners are done with negotiations, this will not be their last, best offer.

"If the players say "no" and counter, they can still meet in the middle of next week, Stern's "we're done negotiating" notwithstanding. And if they say "no" and file a decertification petition, this could all come to a head again in January."

Coon believes the players will ultimately accept the current offer and the NBA will play a 72-game season beginning December 15th, but it will be close.

"Derek Fisher has to sell it to the player reps as the best deal they're going to get, with no better option on the horizon. This could still easily blow up, and it's still pretty close to a coin flip. I'd call it a 51/49 split."

Via ESPN.com

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1dVvmhyHD

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by rockchisler

Post all detailed info online on NBA.com so the players have no excuse saying they did not see or have all the info.....

but isnt it the players rep "job" to relay all the info to their teammates?

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 01:59 PM

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alanhahn Alan Hahn
I like @IraHeatBeat idea, tho. At least throw this bone: agree to pay players 82-game salary in the 72-game season if they take deal now.

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 02:01 PM

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SherrodbCSN A. Sherrod Blakely
The longer this #lockout last, it's no longer (solely) about getting paid. The other Ps - Pride and Principle - are entering negotiations.

**CMH** · 11-12-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by J_Posse512

Buddy, those scabs wouldn't touch the level of talent/skill present in today's NBA -especially at the top tier - and fan support would quickly wane. This really isn't a chicken or egg issue, both sides need each other to be successful. Or do you really want to see NBA D-League, U.S. minor league and lower-level Euro league talent masquerading as the L.A. Lakers, Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs, Dallas Mavericks, etc.?

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You're right, no one wants to watch basketball players play basketball.

And the NBA would be foolish to even consider having other professional basketball players compete in their league while the existing ones prefer to sit on the sidelines.

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 02:02 PM

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alanhahn Alan Hahn
The B-list stuff is minimal. D-League thing way overplayed and a good idea. Age limit? NECESSARY. Players need to get the facts straight.

alanhahn Alan Hahn
I'd only be for allowing 18 year olds in draft if you could send them to D-League. Young players need coaching, development more than ever.

IraHeatBeat Ira Winderman
Better D-League idea: Expand rosters to allow two-way D-League contracts, sort of like NFL practice squad. Wind up with a real farm system.

**TN3LL** · 11-12-2011, 02:05 PM

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Beyond player reps, there'll be many more players coming for Monday meeting. Confusion's ruling day, cause so few know details of NBA offer.

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