NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[SidVish]

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The players have looked foolish through this entire ordeal so no we shouldn't be surprised at any of this.

Players - "This deal sucks."

NBA - "We changed it because we lost 300 million dollars under the old CBA that favored the players."

Players - "Yeah I get that. This deal sucks. Decertify."

[MrShowOff]

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the new deal is easily good enough to be passed if it were put to a full vote. Decertifying over the shortcomings in that proposed deal seems a bit ridiculous.

I could understand if they were 20% apart on BRI, and not speaking the same language at all on system issues. The luxury tax is a bit high, but this is a reasonable deal where the owners have attempted to meet the players concerns.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Not gonna lie, I did kinda laugh out loud when I read the info about the D-League. It's basically like the NBA equivilent of getting whooped with the Belt by your Parents when you were a kid.

[MrShowOff]

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7230565/union-meet-monday-discuss-nba-offer

there are really some interesting quotes in that article:

"An agent who spoke with the AP on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the ongoing dispute said "a lot of petitions have been signed already," but acknowledged some players aren't sure that move would get owners to relent on any issues.

"I would say the thing I don't like the most isn't about the deal specifically, but is the lack of information on what's actually on the table," the agent said. "That's the most frustrating thing. ... I think that the guys should actually know what's being proposed and decide from there."

for chrissakes...the NBAPA still has not distributed the proposal to the players and their reps???...what the hell are they doing?

and that ties in directly with:

Another person directly involved with the negotiations told the AP the NBA side is frustrated that the league's current offer is already being poorly received, even though most players have not seen the proposal.

[SidVish]

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Here's a good article in the New York Times from Howard Beck about what the NBA would look like under the new proposed deal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/sp...deal.html?_r=1

In the reimagined, recalibrated N.B.A. of the future, Carmelo Anthony would have a tougher time forcing his way out of Denver. LeBron James would take a steeper pay cut to flee Cleveland. Gilbert Arenas would be a free agent, instead of a payroll albatross.

Contracts would be shorter. Players would become free agents sooner. Making trades would be simpler. The gap between rich and poor teams might be smaller. There might be fewer superteams and more parity, too.

In theory, anyway.

The truth is, no one knows precisely how the N.B.A. will change under a proposed matrix of new regulations, which are now under review by the players union. But the goal — aside from slashing player salaries — is a more vibrant league with more player movement.

“We believe we will be proven right over time that this new model, if the players were to agree to it, will create a better league,” the deputy commissioner Adam Silver said last week.

It is now up to the players to decide whether that system is fair or tolerable or warranted. The league wants them to approve a labor deal this week — under the threat of a worse deal and perhaps a canceled season.

Player representatives from all 30 teams will meet with the union’s executive board Monday morning to deliberate. They could reject the deal outright, ask for revisions or send it to the entire membership for a vote.

The reaction by players, on Twitter and in interviews, has been overwhelmingly negative. They are angry at the pay cuts, the shorter contracts, the diminishing security and the possibility of a more restrictive system.

If adopted, the labor deal could create a much different N.B.A.

For one, it would ban “extend-and-trade” deals, in which a player demands a contract extension as a precondition of being traded. Anthony used that provision to secure a $65 million extension as part of his trade from Denver to the Knicks in February.

Without the extend-and-trade, Anthony would have had to forgo the guaranteed money or stay in Denver and wait for free agency.

Under the new rule, a traded player must wait six months to sign an extension, and a player who signs an extension cannot be traded for six months.

Sign-and-trade deals would also be curtailed. The top-spending teams — those that pay the luxury tax — would be prohibited from acquiring a player in a sign-and-trade deal, starting in 2013-14. That could knock six or seven teams out of the market for top free agents each summer.

A player who does change teams via sign-and-trade would be eligible for only a four-year deal, with 3.5 percent raises. If that player instead stays with his team, he can sign a five-year deal with 6.5 percent raises under the Bird exception.

In the past, players could exercise their full Bird rights (with up to a six-year contract and 10.5 percent raises) in a sign-and-trade deal, as James could have when he left Cleveland for Miami in 2010.

Also, contract options will be banned for the highest-paid players (unless they agree to a nonguaranteed final year), further eroding their leverage.

This is the latest attempt by the N.B.A. to dissuade star players from leaving their teams, and is a direct reaction to the 2010 free-agent migration, in which James, Chris Bosh, Amar’e Stoudemire and Carlos Boozer all changed teams.

The new rules have huge implications for two superstars nearing free agency — Orlando’s Dwight Howard and New Orleans’s Chris Paul, who have opt-out clauses next summer. If either one wants to force a trade, he will have to do so without the benefit of an extension. If they leave as free agents, they will leave millions on the table.

In general, the new deal will give teams greater roster flexibility and the chance to recover from mistakes more quickly.

With shorter contracts (five years for Bird players, four years for others), bad deals will come off the books sooner.

The much-abused midlevel exception — which has been used to lavish $30 million contracts on the likes of Jerome James and Luke Walton — will be limited to three or four years, depending on the season.

Every team will be granted one “amnesty” waiver, which can be used to cut a player without his salary counting against the cap. That means the Orlando Magic could jettison Arenas and the $62 million left on his contract (although they still have to pay him).

Under a new “stretch” exception, a team can cut a player and stretch out his salary (and cap hit) over several years. The provision benefits both teams and players, allowing a quick divorce when relationships turn sour. The Knicks could have used it to cut ties with Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry, whose bloated salaries made them untradeable.

A raft of other rules will make it harder, and more expensive, for the top-spending teams — the Lakers, Mavericks, Celtics and others — to keep adding top talent.

League officials say it will bring more parity. Union officials and agents scoff at the suggestion and say the rules will strangle the free-agent market.

It could be years before either side can prove its case. First, they have to actually adopt a deal and start playing again.

[MrShowOff]

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sam_amick Sam Amick
NBPA sends out a letter for first time in nearly two weeks, obtained by SI.com. Not much to it other than general comments on Monday meeting
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sam_amick Sam Amick
NBPA Exec Billy Hunter: "During the meeting we will exhaustively discuss and analyze the NBA’s revised collective bargaining proposal ...
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sam_amick Sam Amick
Hunter: "...& collectively adopt a reasonable and prudent response. In the interim, I am requesting that you contact your team..."
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sam_amick Sam Amick
Hunter: "...player rep and fully voice your opinion(s) on the matter."
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[BiggD]

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Tomorrow is certainly gonna be an interesting day

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'm curious as to what Jordan Farmar(Nets' Team Rep)knows since he's in Israel and is in the middle of a Basketball Season over there. Not even sure who the other rep is(assuming teams carry a 2nd rep in the event the 1st rep can't attent any meetings).

[Taur3asi3]

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"Interesting" is one way of looking at it...

Here's the NBA's PowerPoint presentation they put together for the deal. Maybe the players are better at Youtubing than talking to their reps.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/_C4zaisIRxQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[MrShowOff]

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I'm curious as to what Jordan Farmar(Nets' Team Rep)knows since he's in Israel and is in the middle of a Basketball Season over there. Not even sure who the other rep is(assuming teams carry a 2nd rep in the event the 1st rep can't attent any meetings).

I think Farmer's alternate is Stephen Graham

[MrShowOff]

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MrMichaelLee Michael Lee
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Might see some white flags on Monday RT @thechrispalmer It's not the best deal or the one the players wanted. But it's not a bad deal either
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I hope we do see those white flags and the players come to their senses

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Pride and Ego usually take presidence over Common Sense.

With that being said, I'm not expecting Common Sense to rule the day tomorrow.

[MrShowOff]

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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Sources briefed on decertification movement's plans say no action will be taken Monday. They don't want to be distraction union meeting
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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Sources close to decert group told #ESPN that, armed w/well over 130 needed signatures, they'll let meeting breathe and plot next move TUES
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[MrShowOff]

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RicBucher Ric Bucher
NBA said via Twitter NBDL clause has never been proposed. Union sources say it was last June and restated as vital issue on Thursday.
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RicBucher Ric Bucher
Why leaked 7-page proposal didn't list drug-test/NBDL clauses and why union took them as owner must-haves: es.pn/sCWIui
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I have a hard time trusting Bucher and his sources.

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Pride and Ego usually take presidence over Common Sense.

With that being said, I'm not expecting Common Sense to rule the day tomorrow.

Seems like some ignorance and confusion is mixed up in there, and that seems to have been done intentionally

Billy's quote makes me continue to doubt this guy really wants whats best for these players as well

NBPA Exec Billy Hunter: "During the meeting we will exhaustively discuss and analyze the NBA’s revised collective bargaining proposal ...
& collectively adopt a reasonable and prudent response. In the interim, I am requesting that you contact your team player rep and fully voice your opinion(s) on the matter.

They dont need to come up with a response, they need to accept the deal

All this will do is drag this thing on even more