NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[DukeC]

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Ok so it seems like people have tuned out to this thread but there have been a few developments during the last day:

- The players voluntarily dismissed their CA complaint. That doesnt mean the suit is over because they just merged the plaintiffs in the CA complaint with the MN lawsuit. The players did this because they were unhappy with the judge the CA case was assigned too.

- The player's attorney, Boies, stated that he may give the NBA a call in the next day or so to see if they are open to negotiations. The NBA appears to be open to meeting with the Union's attorneys.

- According to Ken Berger, the league desperately wants to make the Christmas games and doesnt want to have to start the paying back the networks for missed ad revenue.

- I could see both sides meeting this wknd or early next week.

It's because most of us lost hope and decided "What's the point".

I can't even bring myself to say this news was encouraging becuase I feel like it's ultimately going to come to nothing anyways

/goes back to playing Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Unless they're secretly meeting right now, I wouldn't even count on those Christmas Day Games happening or any game for that matter.

[aholbert32]

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Unless they're secretly meeting right now, I wouldn't even count on those Christmas Day Games happening or any game for that matter.

Nah, it can still happen this wknd or Mon/Tues. The league wants 30 days and Tuesday is only 26 days out. I dont think its likely (I dont think there will be a season this year) but if they meet after Thanksgiving its possible.

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Yeah I saw the court reports but didn't post anything because I think it simply happened because they wanted a more speedy process

So in all... these guys still aren't talking about going forward, its the same mentalities on both sides.

[greenegt]

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Whelp, I'm keeping hope alive until the season is officially cancelled. I hope cooler heads are starting to prevail and they are able to get a deal done.

[FlyRice]

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBA and players resumed talks on Tuesday to try and end the lockout before the cancellation of Christmas games, two sources told Y! Sports.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Talks were expected to continue today, sources said, and one league source tells Y!: "We should know more by later this evening."

[aholbert32]

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBA and players resumed talks on Tuesday to try and end the lockout before the cancellation of Christmas games, two sources told Y! Sports.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Talks were expected to continue today, sources said, and one league source tells Y!: "We should know more by later this evening."

What did I tell you? Still don't think its going to lead to anything.

[FlyRice]

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Yeah, not getting my hopes up either. Not after the whole Dave Checketts thing.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Derek Fisher isn't a part of the talks now, sources say.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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DALY CITY, Calif. – The Dallas Mavericks should have received their championship rings three weeks ago in a ceremony on the opening night of the 2011-12 NBA season. They didn’t, of course. The league’s ongoing lockout has indefinitely postponed their coronation, and the players can’t be sure when they’ll get their prize for winning last season’s title.
“For me, personally, I don’t think there will be a season,” Mavericks guard DeShawn Stevenson(notes) said recently at Drew Gooden’s(notes) Make-A-Wish charity game. “Right now there is just a lot of bad blood and [the owners] keep putting offers out that we’re rejecting. So we’re not going anywhere.”

Stevenson thinks the owners have been slow to recognize how much the players have already conceded in negotiations, but he also points blame at someone else: Billy Hunter, executive director of the players’ former union.
“I felt like we should have decertified in July,” Stevenson said. “I feel like Billy Hunter is doing a horrible job because basically now [the owners] know our hand. The media knows our hand. The owners know our hand.”
Hunter pointed out that Stevenson hasn’t had a direct role in the negotiations.
“DeShawn is entitled to his opinion,” Hunter said. “It would be much more meaningful if he were more directly involved and would have understood what fully transpired and understood the issues. I think he’d be better informed.
“I respect DeShawn’s right to say and feel what he is saying. I can’t fault that. I don’t have nothing negative about DeShawn. He said it. It’s not justified, but he has every right in the world to say what he thinks.”
Jason Terry(notes), the Mavs’ representative for the Players Association, was in New York on Nov. 14 when the union decided to disband. He said the players had “no choice” but to turn down the NBA’s latest offer and that Mavs All-Star forward Dirk Nowitzki(notes) supported the decision.
“A lot of players were misinformed from watching [television],” Terry said. “But once we gave them the information and what it was about, they knew that wasn’t a fair deal for us.”
Unlike Stevenson, Terry remains optimistic there will still be a 2011-12 season. And that the Mavs will eventually receive their championship rings.
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“I’ve seen a lot of ring designs,” Terry said. “Whenever that day comes, whenever that day might be, it will be another great day. [Opening day] is the day you finally get your rings, and it’s the fans’ day. I was sick for them. You had [Nov. 1] circled on your calendar when the schedule came out. We were playing Chicago, opening night and [Derrick Rose(notes)] was coming to town.
“But it’s here and gone. We sorely regret it and wish we can get that day back.”
One reason why Terry was glad the players rejected the owners’ most recent offer: Under it, he thought the Mavs would have a tough time keeping some of their core contributors. While Nowitzki, Terry, Shawn Marion(notes) and Jason Kidd(notes) are under contract, the Mavs have a long list of free agents that include Stevenson, center Tyson Chandler(notes), guard Jose Juan Barea and forwards Caron Butler(notes), Brian Cardinal(notes) and Peja Stojakovic(notes).
“Look at our roster,” Terry said. “Free agency is going to hit us hard. We don’t know what our team is going to look like.”
For Stevenson, the lockout has so far robbed the Mavs of their moment of validation. Already, he thinks the Mavs aren’t getting the credit they deserve for beating LeBron James(notes) and the Miami Heat in last season’s NBA Finals.
“I haven’t see a Dirk commercial, I haven’t seen a Jason Kidd commercial, Jason Terry commercial,” Stevenson said. “But I’ve seen a LeBron McDonald’s commercial. Dwyane Wade(notes) is on a T-Mobile commercial. I just feel like we don’t get the respect as a team that worked hard to win a championship.”
Said Marion: “We are the champs. We got the hardware. Well … we haven’t received it yet, but we’re the champs.”
If the entire season does get canceled, Marion thinks the Mavs can make one claim:
“We’re going to go down as the longest champs in NBA history,” he said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnbRFfrer3nuCWMTeVtD2w5nYcB?slug=mc-spears_dallas_mavericks_nba_lockout_112211

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Wait... wasn't Jason Terry one of the misinformed players saying they are trying to eliminate the middle class when they infact implemented 3 MLE's?


Billy is really enjoying getting paid off of these guys nowadays, that much we know.. for all that Stevenson is, he can smell a rat when he sees one.

[cmebfresh]

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http://www.nba.com/video/cba_news/

[OSUFan_88]

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Sounds like both sides are having some real pressure put on them from sponsors.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Check Ego and Pride at the door before continuing these talks.

[The 24th Letter]

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Not that it matters, but study's are showing that players are gaining support from fans in this whole fiasco....

Interesting, but WGAF? Get a deal done.

[Drewski]

Not that it matters, but study's are showing that players are gaining support from fans in this whole fiasco....

Interesting, but WGAF? Get a deal done.

Yeah I thought that was funny. My reaction has been the opposite, growing more sour with both sides as time progresses, even though originally I sided with the players sorta. I've lost all hope though too many times I've been hopeful only to hear more garbage and spin from each side. Hope I can say thanks for giving us back the nba soon...

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