NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

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Man thats not pressure at all

Who cares if the checks are spread.. it just means he's guaranteed money for years to come

On top of that he gets a new contract with another team

Other than non guaranteed contracts there is no pressure for them with this

Hopefully you dont see guys trying to get cut so they can get paid and still get a new deal. I dont like it

[King_B_Mack]

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I don't see what everyone is crying over about guys not playing hard for their contracts. There is no perfect system in all of this. The NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts and you still have the Albert Haynesworths and Chris Johnsons of the world getting fat deals and then proceeding to not do ****. There's always going to be some form of guaranteed money you're going to have to pay to guys. At least this is something for the owners.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Man thats not pressure at all

Who cares if the checks are spread.. it just means he's guaranteed money for years to come

On top of that he gets a new contract with another team

Other than non guaranteed contracts there is no pressure for them with this

Hopefully you dont see guys trying to get cut so they can get paid and still get a new deal. I dont like it

Well, it's about as much "pressure" as you can put on a player in a guarnteed contract world. So, I'm for it. It may not be much, but it's something that helps the owners out.

I don't see what everyone is crying over about guys not playing hard for their contracts. There is no perfect system in all of this. The NFL doesn't have guaranteed contracts and you still have the Albert Haynesworths and Chris Johnsons of the world getting fat deals and then proceeding to not do ****. There's always going to be some form of guaranteed money you're going to have to pay to guys. At least this is something for the owners.

Everyone's crying? Show me

[King_B_Mack]

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Well, it's about as much "pressure" as you can put on a player in a guarnteed contract world. So, I'm for it. It may not be much, but it's something that helps the owners out.

Everyone's crying? Show me

Figure of speech, not literally everyone. There have been a few posts though saying that basically that the amnesty clause is useless in the way it's been implemented.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Really? I think mostly everyone is in favor of the amnesty. I would like to know how it's a bad thing as well, or how it's poorly implemented.

[Drewski]

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Call me confused but I've always been under the impression that the amnesty clause is a one-use card, essentially letting teams choose (or choose not to) make a contract "disappear" to adjust to new CBA restrictions? If that is the case, then it really is just a means for teams to clear things up, not make guys work for their contracts. However, I know there were talks that teams did NOT have to use the amnesty the first year, but something like within the first 3 years they have the option of using it when they choose to. Then it might bare some pressure on guys. Otherwise, its just to sweep out the Gilbert Arena's contracts. With this considered, teams lose some "trading" weight going after guys like Dwight, because a good offer would likely have to include the other team taking on Arenas' contract. That will no longer be the case with teams having the opportunity to amnesty a contract (I just assume ORL will cut Agent 0).

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Man thats not pressure at all

Who cares if the checks are spread.. it just means he's guaranteed money for years to come

On top of that he gets a new contract with another team

Other than non guaranteed contracts there is no pressure for them with this

Hopefully you dont see guys trying to get cut so they can get paid and still get a new deal. I dont like it

The bolded part has been happening for a while now in a way, has it not?

It's not handicapping your team like it has in the past. Instead of it being just a one time thing and that's it, I would've preferred it to be like you can use it once every 3 years.

Honestly, I think this is the best thing about this new deal. Kinda wanted to see some sort of Franchise Tag make it's way into the NBA, but it's not big deal to me.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Call me confused but I've always been under the impression that the amnesty clause is a one-use card, essentially letting teams choose (or choose not to) make a contract "disappear" to adjust to new CBA restrictions? If that is the case, then it really is just a means for teams to clear things up, not make guys work for their contracts. However, I know there were talks that teams did NOT have to use the amnesty the first year, but something like within the first 3 years they have the option of using it when they choose to. Then it might bare some pressure on guys. Otherwise, its just to sweep out the Gilbert Arena's contracts. With this considered, teams lose some "trading" weight going after guys like Dwight, because a good offer would likely have to include the other team taking on Arenas' contract. That will no longer be the case with teams having the opportunity to amnesty a contract (I just assume ORL will cut Agent 0).

The amnesty thing is to get rid of a bad contract with no consequences. I have no idea how many years a team has the chance to use it though.

Aaron posted that owners can now also cut players, which would still count against their cap, but instead of paying them out in say 3 years, they could pay out the player's contract over like 8 years.

At least that's what I got.

[Drewski]

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Just looking up some information, in 2005 the CBA that just expired included an amnesty clause. Here's an FAQ from Marc Stein, just going to quote a small portion and drop a link after. Keep in mind this is 2005, and we do not know if they actually will allow them to hold onto their "amnesty" cards beyond a specific date.

You've heard about the NBA's new "amnesty" clause.

Now you want to know how it works.

Herewith, then, is an FAQ to explain every aspect of the rule.

Q: What is the amnesty clause?

A: This new provision grants teams a one-time exception to waive a player without paying any further luxury tax on the player's contract, regardless of how long or how rich the contract is.

Q: What is the deadline for capitalizing on this provision?

A: The window for releasing an amnesty player opened when the new labor agreement took effect Aug. 2 and ends Monday at midnight. At the urging of the union and various teams, the deadline was brought forward to Aug. 15 from Oct. 1 so amnesty players aren't shut out of the free-agent market all summer and left scrambling for a new team two days before training camps start.

Q: Can teams save this one-time exception for later in the season or future seasons?

A: No. NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that multiple teams have pushed for the rule to be tweaked to allow teams to be able to save the one-time provision for use during any of the six seasons in the new labor agreement. The league, however, refused to budge.

FULL ARTICLE

[Drewski]

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Ric Bucher just dropped some actual information finally on some of the CBA terms. Something important already popped out at me...

The players did not get all that they hoped for on sign-and-trade rules, sources said. For the first two years of the 10-year deal -- either side can get out of it after six -- tax-paying teams still will be eligible to do sign-and-trade deals. That opens the door for such impending free agents as Chris Paul, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams to be moved to big-market teams that are already over the salary cap (i.e. Lakers, Knicks and Mavericks).

But to clarify on Extend-and-Trade

But in the final eight years of the agreement, teams in the luxury tax will not be eligible to acquire players from another team by sign-and-trade. Teams also will continue to have the option of extend-and-trades, where they can sign their own player to an extension and then deal them. Owners, at one point, wanted to abolish extend-and-trade deals for all teams.

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[Kashanova]

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Under the NBA lockout deal reached Saturday morning, players with six or fewer years of service in the league can sign contracts with a maximum first-year salary equal to 25 percent of the salary cap, or roughly $14.5 million for the 2011-12 season. But if that player has already made the All-Star or All-NBA team, he can sign a deal that pays him 30 percent in the first year of his second contract, which is also the max for players with more than six seasons of service.

This will affect young players signing their second contracts, usually following their third seasons. (This contracts go into effect after the players’ fourth season.) In the immediate, it will come into play for Derrick Rose, Kevin Love and Russell Westbrook, each of whom have finished three seasons and have All-Star appearances on their resumes.

Under the old rules and assuming the salary cap, as reported, remains static at $58 million, those players should be able to sign extensions starting at $17.4 million. By contrast, Kevin Durant last year signed a deal that this year will pay him $14.5 million. Westbrook (a year behind Durant in service) making more than the two-time reigning scoring champ should go over well in Oklahoma City

The Derrick Rose Rule

[Drewski]

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The Derrick Rose Rule

A great rule in my opinion, helps pace the contracts of all the rookies moving into their second one, while rewarding guys who have obviously played above and beyond by allowing them to dip into the 30% range.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Part of the motivation for the hardline owners during the NBA lockout was never to let what happened with LeBron James going to Miami to ever happen again. To never let what Carmelo Anthony did to the Nuggets ever happen again (they lost the ‘Melo part of the fight). Small market owners didn’t like players banding together to go to a better market and win together and they couldn’t stop it.
Except, in the system concessions made in the last 48 hours the Heat and Knicks may be the biggest winners.
The way the rules are set up those two teams are in good position to bring in mid-level players and some depth to put around their stars that could put them over the top.
Brian Windhorst broke down the Heat case at ESPN.

The biggest move was owners allowing teams that are not more than $4 million over the luxury tax line to use the full mid-level exception of $5 million, according to multiple reports. That $4 million window makes a world of difference for the Heat and should allow them to:
• Use the entire $5 million mid-level exception in free agency without having to use the amnesty clause on Mike Miller to waive him and get his contract off the books.
• Use the entire mid-level exception on a free agent and still be able re-sign restricted free agent Mario Chalmers and rookie point guard Norris Cole.

Mike Miller could still be let go by the Heat, but if they think he could contribute they no longer have to get rid of him to clear the way for others. It will depend on his recovery from thumb and knee injuries. But they have $67 million on the books and options now.
The Knicks have $7 million less on the books for next season than the Heat, meaning they can bring in a mid-level player to go around Anthony and Amare Stoudemire plus use a second exception to get a guy. They can use the $14.2 million deal of Chauncey Billups (in its last year) as the base for an offer to try and get Chris Paul or Dwight Howard and if it works they still might be able to get a mid-level player again next season.
Even teams like the Lakers and Mavericks — teams with owners willing to spend and in a “win now” mode due to a core that only has a few more years in their championship window — also may benefit in the short term. It will cost them more in tax, but they can go get a mid-level exception guy, the kind of role players they need around their stars.
Over time, the goal of this labor deal will be to flatten out the payroll disparity in the league — teams have to spend up to $49 million next season and $90 million payroll will be almost impossible due to the tax structure. (One should not confuse that with parity or competitive balance, the owners like to tell you those things go hand-in-hand but they do not.)
But in the short term two teams who need good role players to go around their stars may have been the biggest winners in the last 48 hours.

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[Iman416]

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So when are we going to get information on NBA league pass?
I cant wait to purchase that, soo amped

[jeremym480]

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Here's a summary of the deal for those interested. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...eal/index.html

Sorry if it has already been posted