NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[da ThRONe]

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The NFL is an example of a league making crazy money and still looking to take more.

[aholbert32]

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I have said when this all started ,that unless the players had some super secret plan to start their own league, I see no way they can win. At the same time I can understand the players position that if they never fight they will always lose. I can't imagine being in a so called "negotiation" really getting nothing in return as compared to the previous CBA.

I dont knock them for fighting. Theyve been doing it all summer. I knock them for not knowing when to stop fighting.

They get plenty in return. Millions of dollars that they wont get during the lockout. Stern made a good point. Each player has a choice. You can make 1 million in Turkey or make 4 mil in the US at home. This fight is not only costing them money but also potentially a year of their career. You think Steve Nash gives a damn about this 80 mil difference. Nope, he just wants to play and take one last shot at a ring.

[WTF]

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If they don't accept something soon, then they'll not only not getting anything in return but things are going to get much worse for them. The owners will find "talent" to fill teams, if the players go the de-cert route.

That letter from the NBAPA was a bunch of crap. They're getting ready to shoot themselves in the foot. a 50/50 split is the definition of a fair split. Take the expenses out off of the top... and split the rest 50/50. At least use that as a baseline for negotiating... and then go from there. That's as fair as it gets.

I was getting upset that we were losing the preseason games, etc... but now after seeing the "unfair" comments coming from the NBAPA, cancel the season, let them see how fair it really was for them.

They had a pushover negotiating session in 1998, and got a CRAZY unfair deal in favor of the players... and they don't realize it.

[Kashanova]

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didn't fisher say that the 50/50 split that was offer would actually be 47/53?

[aholbert32]

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didn't fisher say that the 50/50 split that was offer would actually be 47/53?

That was the original offer. Stern then came back and offered 50% without the on the total BRI without the givebacks.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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I agree, the players are just making this a nightmare for themselves, 50/50 is a good deal IMO. I hate when players get greedy, and like I have said a long NBA players are well over paid to begin with. Take the deal, This isn't only about the NBAPA this is a bout the fans, and the players look like the bad guys now that's its US the fans paying there way. Give back to the fans and get thing resolved.

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After the years of plenty they've all had, the words unfair should be the last thing coming from the players

Thats just insane, then they act like they care about the arena workers as if they've ever offered them a dime

[Dice]

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There is a lot of 'double speak' going on from both sides.

The owners and the NBA on one hand is claiming broke and need economic relief, but then you got NOT ONE TEAM NOR THE LEAGUE opening their books to anybody. Unless I missed it, I cannot believe anything Stern or the league has been telling us in terms of financial losses. So if that's the case, how can I believe ANYTHING Stern(or Silver) has to say about the negotiations?

Then you got the players and this letter from the union. In the letter Fisher expresses how he's willing to 'help better match pay for play' and 'help competitive balance among the teams' BUT HAS YET TO TELL ANYBODY, INCLCUDING THE PLAYERS, WHAT'S HIS PLAN?

With all these numbers that we're hearing, can we really believe who's telling the truth? We're actually back to the mode these negotiations were before last month when the NBA and the Union mutually agreed to keep the talks private. It's now back to posturing mode but not as bad as it was before. What happened to that?

All I know is that the league knew about this for quite some time. Now all of a sudden, they have to preserve the season as well as the game? Get the **** outta here! As much as we rightfully admonish players when they say they play for the love of the game, we also need to hold the owners feet to the fire in the same respect.

The one thing I will accept as gospel is from Fisher when he said, 'we're locked out'. Which tells me, the owners are the ones with the legal power to end it. If I can re-call, didn't the league back in 1995 play without a CBA because they had a 'no strike, no lockout' agreement? Remember, the CBA expired in 1994. Why couldn't they just do that now? Is it too much for owners and players to just play a season under the old rules while they hammer out a deal?

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There is a lot of 'double speak' going on from both sides.

The owners and the NBA on one hand is claiming broke and need economic relief, but then you got NOT ONE TEAM NOR THE LEAGUE opening their books to anybody. Unless I missed it, I cannot believe anything Stern or the league has been telling us in terms of financial losses. So if that's the case, how can I believe ANYTHING Stern(or Silver) has to say about the negotiations?

Then you got the players and this letter from the union. In the letter Fisher expresses how he's willing to 'help better match pay for play' and 'help competitive balance among the teams' BUT HAS YET TO TELL ANYBODY, INCLCUDING THE PLAYERS, WHAT'S HIS PLAN?

With all these numbers that we're hearing, can we really believe who's telling the truth? We're actually back to the mode these negotiations were before last month when the NBA and the Union mutually agreed to keep the talks private. It's now back to posturing mode but not as bad as it was before. What happened to that?

All I know is that the league knew about this for quite some time. Now all of a sudden, they have to preserve the season as well as the game? Get the **** outta here! As much as we rightfully admonish players when they say they play for the love of the game, we also need to hold the owners feet to the fire in the same respect.

The one thing I will accept as gospel is from Fisher when he said, 'we're locked out'. Which tells me, the owners are the ones with the legal power to end it. If I can re-call, didn't the league back in 1995 play without a CBA because they had a 'no strike, no lockout' agreement? Remember, the CBA expired in 1994. Why couldn't they just do that now? Is it too much for owners and players to just play a season under the old rules while they hammer out a deal?

You know the NO Hornets almost died as you know it... which could've been a preview to come of other teams

[OSUFan_88]

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I heard Shannon Brown on the Jim Rome Show today, and when Rome asked him what was unfair about it, he stammered and stuttered his way into saying that it's unfair to the current players and past players and blah blah blah.

Honestly, I'm not really sure what the players are looking for. They were given a great opportunity to settle with a 50-50 split and they passed on it. And the only reason they said they passed was because it was unfair and they didn't want to drop below 53%.

I don't know what is going to happen guys, I really don't. The players are so mismanaged right now that I feel the only way a deal is done is if Billy Hunter and Derek Fisher are fired from their jobs.

[Dice]

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You know the NO Hornets almost died as you know it... which could've been a preview to come of other teams

And how do we know that? Because the NBA couldn't find a buyer? Because they're probably over-pricing a franchise that maybe not as worth as what it's been sold for? This is what I'm asking. If the NBA is claiming broke, then show somebody the proof? Nobody from the NBA nor the league has filed bankruptcy, chapter 13 or anything to get economic relief from the courts. I haven't seen any teams fold. I haven't heard anybody complain about missing checks. So tell me besides Stern telling us the league is loosing money, where is the proof?

The CBA agreement in 1983, the NBA opened their books to the union and in a matter of weeks got a deal done.

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And how do we know that? Because the NBA couldn't find a buyer? Because they're probably over-pricing a franchise that maybe not as worth as what it's been sold for? This is what I'm asking. If the NBA is claiming broke, then show somebody the proof? Nobody from the NBA nor the league has filed bankruptcy, chapter 13 or anything to get economic relief from the courts. I haven't seen any teams fold. I haven't heard anybody complain about missing checks. So tell me besides Stern telling us the league is loosing money, where is the proof?

The CBA agreement in 1983, the NBA opened their books to the union and in a matter of weeks got a deal done.

Its not a matter of their books being opened, its about a broken system that was in place...

This was explained time and again. The players arent broke either if you want to make it into a rich issue, but thats not the case at all

Main thing is, the players had their years of plenty, and times have changed, and they will adjust whether they want to or not

[aholbert32]

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Why couldn't they just do that now? Is it too much for owners and players to just play a season under the old rules while they hammer out a deal?

Doesnt work that way. We would be right back to what we had last year. They need a deadline to make a deal.

[Dice]

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Its not a matter of their books being opened, its about a broken system that was in place...

This was explained time and again. The players arent broke either if you want to make it into a rich issue, but thats not the case at all

Main thing is, the players had their years of plenty, and times have changed, and they will adjust whether they want to or not

The players aren't claiming broke. It's the owners who's claiming broke. And all I want to know is have they showed anybody that they are.

And when you say, 'broken system' what part of the system are you talking about? The economic part or something else? I'm just referring to the economic part. No one besides probably Forbes magazine has made a case on why the NBA is broke. And Forbes numbers are just estimates. Nothing concrete or solid.

[aholbert32]

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The players aren't claiming broke. It's the owners who's claiming broke. And all I want to know is have they showed anybody that they are.

And when you say, 'broken system' what part of the system are you talking about? The economic part or something else? I'm just referring to the economic part. No one besides probably Forbes magazine has made a case on why the NBA is broke. And Forbes numbers are just estimates. Nothing concrete or solid.

Didnt the owners open their books months ago? I specifically remember Hunter saying that he looked at the books and agrees that teams were losing money but not as much as the league said.