NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Dice]

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Of course, we can look at it now and say that Sheridan looks like an idiot. But I’m just saying that let’s be fair about it. I never said he was a genius. I said if they would have announced a CBA this week he would have looked like a genius. I understand if there is something personal with him, which a lot of people seem to have here. But it’s not like Sheridan shut down his site. He’s still writing articles about the lockout.

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Come on man, Sheridan worked for ESPN, and has done this kind of stuff for some time now its not just now...so yeah he's looked like less than a genius before lol

Im not really calling him an idiot though, but its not exactly going out on a limb to say there will be a season

[Dice]

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It wasn’t just him predicting the season. I think everybody believes that there will be a season. Even the players and owners. BUT predicting the season starting on time was his exact prediction.

NOW Charles Barkley has his prediction that there won’t be a season. I’m not going to admonish him if he takes an extreme stance on the lockout. BUT if he’s right, then he’ll look like a genius as well. Not saying he is one(including Sheridan) but he’ll get a lot of ‘Good Call’ pat on the back type praise.

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I think you're overusing the word genius here for something simple as a hack writer man

...as I said it wasnt the prediction, it was claiming how he had inside sources then disappearing when it fell through

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I haven't heard nothing from him since the 1st.

Matter of fact, he was the same one telling everyone back in September, "Oh, no need to worry, they'll get something done. This is all just posturing going on and by October 1st we'll be getting ready for Training Camp" blah, blah, blah.

Well, that date came and went and what his prediction now? Halloween? Christmas?

Not that it really matters what he says now because games are going to be missed anyway so yeah.

[Dice]

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We can all take what people write with a grain of salt. I myself never described Sheridan as a genius just because he predicted that the season was going to start on time. That's like calling lottery winners geniuses because they predicted the winning numbers. I'm just saying he would have been viewed as one because he took a stand. And needless to say, yeah, his so-called sources would have made him look real good. I know it's a bunch of baloney BUT we all know about the 'inside information' that the reporters are telling us. All it is to do is to make them look better if they're right.

Listen, I'm not a huge fan of Sheridan but I'm not hatin on him as well. I myself was hoping the season would start on time. And I said it from the beginning, that I took Sheridan's word with caution. BUT in my heart, hoping that he was right. It was ugly actually trying to agree with him BUT I'm a huge NBA fan and just wanted a normal NBA season.

[aholbert32]

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Sheridan has never looked like a genius thats the point.. its ok to take your side, but dont act like you have the inside man feeding you stuff then when you're wrong you disappear like batman.......again

He hasnt disappeared though. I follow him, Beck, Wojo, Berger and Aldridge on Twitter. Berger and him are the only ones regularly updating their pages and writing articles.

[OSUFan_88]

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Berger says there is zero chance we miss the whole season.

He is also sticking with his guess of the lockout ending October 14th.

[aholbert32]

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Looks like the first two weeks are as good as gone....

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/32566143

[Altimus]

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The fools...

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Honestly, if they think about it, its not as bad as they might think

No need to start losing checks just to prove a point of pride

[King_B_Mack]

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Honestly I think a lot of this fight is about future CBAs as well. The union can't win this one and part of the fight is basically because they know they will never ever see certain numbers again. Just rolling over and taking whatever isn't going to change the CBA in the future. If they take 49 or 48 or whatever they will never see 50 again. That's probably why they're holding firm on that 53 cause when the next CBA rolls around and the league is inevitably crying broke again, they can try to walk out of that one with 50 or 49 or something. They whatever they take now, the league will want a lower number next time. 49 now still won't be good enough then and I think that's factoring into the fight now.

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They had their time man... its too bad

[Cubfan]

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So the owners will sit down with the players only if they agree to a 50/50 split? I see this season slipping away very quickly.

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
As @KBergCBS reports, NBA refusing to meet with players Monday without pre-agreement that NBPA will accept 50-50 split on BRI.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Union source says: "This just confirms what we suspected all along: The NBA was never serious about negotiating until guys missed checks."

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
When Stern plans to cancel the first two weeks of regular season Monday, Billy Hunter will be in LA at NBPA meeting for West Coast players

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
As another union source just told Y!, "If the league wants to meet with us Monday, they'll have to get their asses out to LA."

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern didn't have immense owner support to offer 50-50 BRI split, and even far fewer owners willing to give players better than 50 percent.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
NBA's strategy is clearly to reach out to rank-and-file players, get them to rally against union's stand, and accept terms on the table.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
What still hasn't been agreed upon: luxury tax on cap, future of mid-level and bi-annual exceptions, and more. Still major system items.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
After NBA refuses to meet with players without pre-conditioned terms, union source calls it a "total hardball move." tinyurl.com/3uhgz9q

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...r_talks_100711

The NBA has refused to meet with the Players Association before Monday’s deadline to cancel the start of the season unless the players agree to a 50-50 split in revenue, union sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Players Association rejected the conditions and set up regional meetings with players, further casting into doubt whether the season will begin on Nov. 1.

“This is a total hardball move,” a union source told Y! Sports. “This just confirms what we suspected all along: The NBA was never serious about negotiating until [players] missed checks.”

The latest standoff could be an attempt by NBA commissioner David Stern to reach out to rank-and-file players, get them to rally against the union’s stand and accept the terms on the table.

Union officials have scheduled regional meetings for the players Saturday in Miami and Monday in Los Angeles. Players Association executive director Billy Hunter will attend the L.A. meeting.

“If the league wants to meet with us Monday, they’ll have to get their asses out to L.A.,” another union source told Y! Sports.

Stern said the league will cancel the first two weeks of the 2011-12 season if a deal isn’t reached by Monday. Talks broke off between NBA owners and players Tuesday when Stern suggested the owners would be willing to agree to a 50-50 split in the league’s basketball-related income while the players have been seeking a deal that guarantees them at least 52 percent.

Stern didn’t have overwhelming support among owners when he suggested the 50-50 split, league sources told Y! Sports, and many owners never wanted to go north of 48.5 percent for the players’ share.

In addition to the revenue split, the league’s owners and players still need to finish negotiating the luxury tax on the salary cap, the future of the midlevel and bi-annual exceptions and other major system items.