NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[aholbert32]

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Well looks like today's session ended poorly. Brought in more people and the meeting fell apart. I blame Dan Gilbert and Roger Mason. Gilbert because he has been adamant about having the lockout stretch into the season and Mason because he cant keep his ****ing mouth shut. Not a second after the meeting is over, Mason is tweeting what happened. Both of them come to today's meeting and **** falls apart.

I'm over this ****. If they start missing games, my refund checks from my season tickets better come quick.

[Iman2907]

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Wow please dont tell me were gonna miss couple games??
omg. . . . .

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You really blame the falling apart on Roger Mason?

It never stayed in the back of your mind that not all ofthe owners were on board whatever this secret stuff as supposed to be about

[Dice]

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We’re going to see how much pull Stern has with the owners in the next day or so when they have their meeting. I know he likes to bully the players BUT let’s see what happens when the owners he’s trying to protect tells him ‘Hell No’!

[aholbert32]

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You really blame the falling apart on Roger Mason?

It never stayed in the back of your mind that not all ofthe owners were on board whatever this secret stuff as supposed to be about

I said Mason AND Gilbert. Gilbert played a big role too but I actually blame the players more. Its clear the current cap system doesn't work but they refuse to back off of it and even consider a hard cap.

[aholbert32]

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We’re going to see how much pull Stern has with the owners in the next day or so when they have their meeting. I know he likes to bully the players BUT let’s see what happens when the owners he’s trying to protect tells him ‘Hell No’!

The owners wont fold. Most of them want to crush the PA and there arenas arent empty. Take the Verizon Center for example. Ted Leonsis has the schedule packed for November with Capitals games, 3 concerts and 5 nights of Cirque de Soleil. He isnt going to lose any significant money in November if they miss 4 or 5 Wizards games.

**** Leonsis, Kroenke (Nuggets owner) and a bunch of other NBA owners had no problem with losing an entire NHL season. Dont think they will have an issue with losing a few months on the NBA season.

[Dice]

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The owners wont fold. Most of them want to crush the PA and there arenas arent empty. Take the Verizon Center for example. Ted Leonsis has the schedule packed for November with Capitals games, 3 concerts and 5 nights of Cirque de Soleil. He isnt going to lose any significant money in November if they miss 4 or 5 Wizards games.

**** Leonsis, Kroenke (Nuggets owner) and a bunch of other NBA owners had no problem with losing an entire NHL season. Dont think they will have an issue with losing a few months on the NBA season.

I understand that the owners are on a united front. BUT I still believe that there are some owners who prefer to have an NBA season. Guys like Mickey Aronson, Jerry Buss and Jerry Reinsdorf. These guys and some others would make more money with a season than without.

[aholbert32]

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I understand that the owners are on a united front. BUT I still believe that there are some owners who prefer to have an NBA season. Guys like Mickey Aronson, Jerry Buss and Jerry Reinsdorf. These guys and some others would make more money with a season than without.

Thats true but the owners are united in that they want some changes to the cap. right now the players will only discuss the revenue split and refuse to budge on changes to the cap. If the players were willing to move off of that, I could see owners like Buss, Reinsdorf and Dolan being more active in motivating their fellow owners to negotiate.

[BiggD]

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was really hoping to see progress today (just like everyone else).. i know i shouldnt take any of this personally but with all the troubles in the world it really annoys me to see this billionares fight with millionares.. i just want the NBA

[Shakedowncapo]

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In the end, would a hard-cap really stop players from colluding? Or make David Kahn a better GM?! I know my comment is very general but it seems like these two issues will put us in the exact spot we were in with the last bargaining agreement...With the same money being lost by franchises(or a little less due to revenue sharing).

[Dice]

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Thats true but the owners are united in that they want some changes to the cap. right now the players will only discuss the revenue split and refuse to budge on changes to the cap. If the players were willing to move off of that, I could see owners like Buss, Reinsdorf and Dolan being more active in motivating their fellow owners to negotiate.

From what someone reported, I though the players did agree to the cap? However, the cap was going to be a gradual transition that won’t take place for another 2-3 years. Which is reasonable because you’d have to break up a lot of teams instantaneously. And those teams would be owned by guys like Mickey Aronson and Jerry Buss. I don’t think these guys would want their teams busted up next year without some sort of transition period. I know Gilbert would be happy to bust up the Heat but Gilbert doesn’t hold high regards with some of the other owners.

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I said Mason AND Gilbert. Gilbert played a big role too but I actually blame the players more. Its clear the current cap system doesn't work but they refuse to back off of it and even consider a hard cap.

Honestly Gilbert and the guy from OKC would worry me , but I also agree the players need to concede some

[aholbert32]

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From what someone reported, I though the players did agree to the cap? However, the cap was going to be a gradual transition that won’t take place for another 2-3 years. Which is reasonable because you’d have to break up a lot of teams instantaneously. And those teams would be owned by guys like Mickey Aronson and Jerry Buss. I don’t think these guys would want their teams busted up next year without some sort of transition period. I know Gilbert would be happy to bust up the Heat but Gilbert doesn’t hold high regards with some of the other owners.

Both sides were quoted as saying that the 100 million a yr give back by the players was conditioned on "the system remaining the same".

[aholbert32]

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Honestly Gilbert and the guy from OKC would worry me , but I also agree the players need to concede some

Gilbert worries me less because he's only one of 30 votes. Stern only needs 16 to pass a CBA.

[aholbert32]

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In the end, would a hard-cap really stop players from colluding? Or make David Kahn a better GM?! I know my comment is very general but it seems like these two issues will put us in the exact spot we were in with the last bargaining agreement...With the same money being lost by franchises(or a little less due to revenue sharing).

A hard cap prevents Miami from happening. It prevents players from only going to income tax free states or big markets like LA and NY. A hard cap makes GM's think twice about paying Rashard Lewis huge deals. A Hard cap plus limiting the length of guaranteed contracts makes it difficult for guys like Curry and Lewis flat out steal money for large amounts of time.