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  • Dice
    Sitting by the door
    • Jul 2002
    • 6627

    #1036
    Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

    Originally posted by 23
    Barkley

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    Charles Barkley may donate TNT salary

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    TNT analyst Charles Barkley said Tuesday he would feel uncomfortable drawing a paycheck during the NBA lockout, so he's considering donating his salary to charity.



    NBA commissioner David Stern announced after negotiations on Monday the cancellation of at least the first two weeks of the season, and he said a significant gulf remained "on virtually all issues." Barkley is on record predicting the entire 2011-12 season will be canceled.

    "The problem I have is if these guys hold out all season, it's going to be a lot of money," Barkley said."That's why I have to make that decision. I haven't made the final decision.

    "I don't feel comfortable taking money for not working. I'll either defer it or give it to charity."

    Barkley said the players' only chance of salvaging something out of the 2011-12 season is if they take a 50-50 split of Basketball Related Income, which would be down from their previous share of 57 percent.

    But Stern said Monday the owners have reverted back to their previous position of offering the players just 47 percent of BRI in a new deal.


    "There are two groups I feel bad for," Barkley said. "I feel bad for the people who work for these teams, because they're going to start laying off some of these people soon. And then I feel bad for the people who work at these arenas. They're going to take the brunt of this. And that's unfortunate."

    Barkley isn't sure if the owners are losing as much money as they claim, but he said there's one part of this equation that hasn't suffered.

    "We've been in a recession for basically three years," he said. "I think it's disingenuous to think all these owners, with as much money as they've been paying, haven't been losing some money. I don't know the answer to [whether they've lost as much as they claim].

    "But we have been in a recession. The only thing that hasn't gone down are players' salaries, and players' salaries are going to continue to go up. So I think that is a legitimate concern. I think everybody who owns a business has been struggling somewhat financially the last three years."



    Barkley said he admires Stern's motivation to save the small-market teams through better revenue sharing.

    "I think David Stern is the best commissioner in sports," he said. "I listen to both of these sides very carefully when they say stuff. I don't listen to the BS. You can fool the fans, you can fool the media, but you can't fool someone who's really paying attention.

    "If you notice, he mentioned every small-market team. The NBA owners are going to protect these small-market teams. They don't like the fact all the stars want to play in big cities. And this whole thing is going to be about: We're not going to be like baseball, where you have 20 bad franchises that are really like a minor league system until the players get good enough and then they go to the Yankees or Red Sox.

    "I thought it was very telling that Commissioner Stern mentioned every small-market team. That's what this thing is about. They're not going to let just the big markets dominate like they do in baseball."
    I had initially glanced over the article the first time you posted it and didn't fully read it because I just looked at the title. Then when I started reading about why he was doing it and his comments about the current lockout, I just had to...

    Ole Charles Barkley. The NBA’s corporate mouth piece. Let’s see, wasn’t his agent David Falk? And wasn’t he behind Falk when he was trying to de-certify the union back in the 1995 lockout?

    Tell you what, let me pull out a quote from Barkley in 1998 when the lockout was looming then:
    As one of the NBA's senior citizens, Barkley considers himself a man of compassion, but he is hard-pressed to feel any sympathy for the league's ownership. "They want a hard cap," he said, "because with a $40 million cap they won't have the money they've been throwing at kids. And they want to eliminate the Larry Bird exception. The players are together on this. Why should we solve their problems if they don't have the discipline to do it?"
    So NOW he cares about competitive balance? OK Chuck. You definitely weren’t saying that when you were playing. BUT now that the NBA has given you a nice cushy job on TNT behind the booth, I guess you got to say what you got to say. BUT I guess he’s got to pay off those gambling debts somehow since he doesn’t get that nice check he was getting when he was playing.

    I still love his evaluation of NBA players on the court BUT this propaganda that he’s pushing forward on behalf of the NBA is almost laughable.

    If someone told Stern to pull out everything in his pockets I’d bet you there would be a voodoo doll of Charles Barkley.
    I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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    • 23
      yellow
      • Sep 2002
      • 66469

      #1037
      Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

      I kinda agree with Stephen A. though... and on top of that, I said from the jump that the players are screwed

      I just didnt think they'd carry it this far really so now they could potentially end up being more screwed if they dont wise up

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      • Kashanova
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2003
        • 12695

        #1038
        Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

        Originally posted by aholbert32
        Thats not the total point. Its impossible for small market teams to keep their players and compete year after year. Milwaukee will lose Fielder this year and St Louis will probably lose Pujols. Detroit just had a 5 yr drought from the playoffs. Teams like Kansas City will never contend because they can afford to pay their players once they hit free agency. Boston and NY will always contend because they have the money to constantly sign FA.
        That has more to do with owners not willing to spend. Even still the yankees and Red Sox don't win the championship every year. Also the baseball system has such a system were a lot of the good players aren't free agents till their 30s.

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        • Dice
          Sitting by the door
          • Jul 2002
          • 6627

          #1039
          Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

          I was listening to David Alridge on NBA TV this morning and he made a great point on ‘competitive balance’. While he agrees that the league needs to shrink down the differences of pay rolls between a team like the Kings and the Lakers, he also stated that owners need to realize that the league is superstar driven. And in the case of the NBA, there are no more than about 6-7 actual superstars in the league. So competitive balance would still be a struggle even if the league implemented the hardest cap they can install. There will still be only 3-4 legit championship contenders a year and the rest of the teams would be ‘after thoughts’. All 30 teams would not be blessed with a superstar player. And unlike any other sport, superstar players don’t come in every Draft. They may come every 3-4 years BUT that’s about it. And when they do come, it’s not like there are a lot of them.

          So when people use this notion that the league wants to have its small market teams to be competitive and keep its superstar, how is that possible if there is a hard cap? And in the case of LeBron James and the Cavs, that’s not an example of a small market team unable to afford it’s superstar. Cavs had the money to keep him, LeBron just wanted to leave.

          And speaking of NBA TV, one of the biggest reasons I want the lockout to end because I want NBA TV to ditch that Courtside Cinema garbage they’ve been showing since the start of the lockout. If I see ‘Space Jams’, ‘The Fish that Saved Pittsburg’ or ‘On on One’ one more time, I’m GONNA SCREAM!
          I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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          • bigeastbumrush
            My Momma's Son
            • Feb 2003
            • 19245

            #1040
            Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

            Originally posted by Dice
            I was listening to David Alridge on NBA TV this morning and he made a great point on ‘competitive balance’. While he agrees that the league needs to shrink down the differences of pay rolls between a team like the Kings and the Lakers, he also stated that owners need to realize that the league is superstar driven. And in the case of the NBA, there are no more than about 6-7 actual superstars in the league. So competitive balance would still be a struggle even if the league implemented the hardest cap they can install. There will still be only 3-4 legit championship contenders a year and the rest of the teams would be ‘after thoughts’. All 30 teams would not be blessed with a superstar player. And unlike any other sport, superstar players don’t come in every Draft. They may come every 3-4 years BUT that’s about it. And when they do come, it’s not like there are a lot of them.
            That's just not true.

            The owners want the star players to be more evenly spread out amongst all the teams and not have star players joining each other on one team.

            Miami is not a big basketball market.

            The owners, and especially Stern, loved LeBron being in Cleveland because he was a star in a small market (albeit through the draft).

            They don't hate LeBron in Miami. They hate Cleveland without a star player.

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            • ProfessaPackMan
              Bamma
              • Mar 2008
              • 63852

              #1041
              Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

              And part of a reason why some of them are Superstars is also because of the amount of exposure they get, which everyone here agrees that outside of the 6-7 teams, the League has done an awful job at that.
              #RespectTheCulture

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              • da ThRONe
                Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                • Mar 2009
                • 8528

                #1042
                Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

                Originally posted by aholbert32
                The league is a player driven league. Cleveland wasnt a "Glamour Team" before Lebron came there. Same with OKC. All the league cares about is getting its stars on TV. The league wants it to be easier for a small market team to keep those stars.
                We agree here. It's better for the league to have their mega/super/stars spread out throughout the league. Causals tune in for stars. If 25 star players are on 7 teams only 7 teams are worth watching. However of those 25 stars if they're spread out between 14 teams that's twice as many teams viable for the league. LeBron doesn't need Wade( and vice versa) to make a team viable so it's a waste to have them on the same team. It's overkill.
                Last edited by da ThRONe; 10-12-2011, 12:43 PM.
                You looking at the Chair MAN!

                Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #1043
                  Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

                  Originally posted by Kashanova
                  That has more to do with owners not willing to spend. Even still the yankees and Red Sox don't win the championship every year. Also the baseball system has such a system were a lot of the good players aren't free agents till their 30s.
                  The difference is the Yankees and the Red Sox have a chance to win every year. This about contending NOT winning championships. The Royals could decide to spend 100 million dollars on players (still way less than the Yankees) and make a run at the title. The problem is after about 3 years the Royals would have to fold because of financial losses and even if they didnt fold they wouldnt be able to consistently contend for a title while taking millions of dollars in losses each year.

                  Most FA are in their prime. Take this years class: Prince Fielder is 27. Albert is 31. Sabathia is 31 (on his second FA contract. He was 28 during his first). Reyes is 28.

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                  • Altimus
                    Chelsea, Assemble!
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 27283

                    #1044
                    Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

                    Anyone get a laugh of Stat commenting about the players starting their own league?

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                    • King_B_Mack
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 24450

                      #1045
                      Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

                      Originally posted by aholbert32
                      The difference is the Yankees and the Red Sox have a chance to win every year. This about contending NOT winning championships. The Royals could decide to spend 100 million dollars on players (still way less than the Yankees) and make a run at the title. The problem is after about 3 years the Royals would have to fold because of financial losses and even if they didnt fold they wouldnt be able to consistently contend for a title while taking millions of dollars in losses each year.

                      Most FA are in their prime. Take this years class: Prince Fielder is 27. Albert is 31. Sabathia is 31 (on his second FA contract. He was 28 during his first). Reyes is 28.
                      Thing about the MLB though is because of revenue sharing, the Royals don't give a **** about competitve balance because they're going to turn profits anyway off teams like the Yankees and Red Sox.

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                      • Dice
                        Sitting by the door
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 6627

                        #1046
                        Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        And part of a reason why some of them are Superstars is also because of the amount of exposure they get, which everyone here agrees that outside of the 6-7 teams, the League has done an awful job at that.
                        Really? So you believe there are more than 7 superstars in the NBA?
                        I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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                        • bigeastbumrush
                          My Momma's Son
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 19245

                          #1047
                          Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

                          Originally posted by Dice
                          Really? So you believe there are more than 7 superstars in the NBA?
                          People need to get rid of this Jordan, Magic, Bird image of a superstar.

                          The league has turned over since then.

                          There are more than 7 "superstars" in the league right now.

                          If the NBA chooses to only market the stars in larger markets, that's their fault.

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                          • ProfessaPackMan
                            Bamma
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 63852

                            #1048
                            Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

                            How in the world did you get that out of what I said?

                            Outside of Chicago, LA, New York, Boston, Dallas, Orlando, OKC, Miami unless you're a die hard NBA Fan, what reason do you have to watch other teams besides those?

                            That's part of the problem I have with this as well. The lack of exposure for the other teams compared to those 8 are awful.
                            #RespectTheCulture

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #1049
                              Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

                              Originally posted by Altimus
                              Anyone get a laugh of Stat commenting about the players starting their own league?
                              And these are the dudes who ultimately are bitching about money, right?
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • Altimus
                                Chelsea, Assemble!
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 27283

                                #1050
                                Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

                                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                                And these are the dudes who ultimately are bitching about money, right?
                                Yep. They're willing to discuss a new business venture which can lose millions and millions but yet won't shave a couple % points to play the game they love so much. Makes sense to me.

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