NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[The 24th Letter]

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Thats my new ****, im blaming everything on MIA....

wifey wanna know why im home late? "The Decision girl"

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Thats my new ****, im blaming everything on MIA....

wifey wanna know why im home late? "The Decision girl"

Don't forget to tell her that you're gonna be late not 1 time, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 times but 8 times.

[da ThRONe]

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Considering that the Players(aka Top 10%)had their chance to avoid this, no one to blame but themselves for being in this situation.

So the owners are looking to break the players and it's the players fault for not taking it quietly?

Everybody is complaining about the players and are completely ignoring the fact that the owners are just as responsible if not more than the players.

When I felt the ball was in the players court I was pro owners. Now that I fell like the ball is in the owners court so now I'm pro players.

[aholbert32]

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No insult intended but I think it's naive to say the last agreement isn't the starting point during negotiations. Other wise both parties can throw out numbers and/or demands that are ridiculous. This is not an example of negotiating in good faith something the Stern has mentioned several times during this process.

If I'm in any union no way I let the league/employer run over us let the owners are attempting to do.

None taken. Current profits should be the starting point. Lets say I'm paid 100k a year and my company makes 500k profit a year. Lets say next year my company only makes 200k in profit. My expectation should be that I make less next yr. Now if my company makes more, I should expect to make more. What I made last year only matters if the company is doing well.

[aholbert32]

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So the owners are looking to break the players and it's the players fault for not taking it quietly?

Everybody is complaining about the players and are completely ignoring the fact that the owners are just as responsible if not more than the players.

When I felt the ball was in the players court I was pro owners. Now that I fell like the ball is in the owners court so now I'm pro players.

Here is my problem with your argument: Yes, the players are "standing united" but the only people hurting are the players. We can all agree that most of the owners have other sources of income and aren't talking a loss (some of the smaller teams may actually save money during the lockout). The players are the ones missing paychecks starting saturday.

So whats the point? The players have no leverage, are going to lose money and will be eventually forced with taking a **** deal now and playing, taking an even ****tier deal in 2012 and missing checks they will never get back or missing an entire season.

Sometimes you have to know when you have a good hand and when you don't....and the players don't.

[RedSceptile]

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Here's the thing, it's basic negotiating knowledge that when you've buried yourself into a corner and are the one dependent on the other party you save face and accept the deal. The player's had their profit from anold broken CBA now it's time to realize to accept their losses and move on. The longer they hold out the worse the deal will be point blank. I don't gave any sympathy towards them now really when they've put themselves in to a really toxic situation.

[Marino]

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Here is my problem with your argument: Yes, the players are "standing united" but the only people hurting are the players. We can all agree that most of the owners have other sources of income and aren't talking a loss (some of the smaller teams may actually save money during the lockout). The players are the ones missing paychecks starting saturday.

So whats the point? The players have no leverage, are going to lose money and will be eventually forced with taking a **** deal now and playing, taking an even ****tier deal in 2012 and missing checks they will never get back or missing an entire season.

Sometimes you have to know when you have a good hand and when you don't....and the players don't.

You gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them...

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[aholbert32]

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Here is the link to Stern on WFAN:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd0%2FdY%2FdY%2FdT%2FdO%2FYYTO_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561587383908634814_lHWukweMKDTBlYG4bbEijqAF3g&podcast_name=David+Stern&podcast_artist=Mike+Francesa&station_id=91&tag=&dcid=CBS.NY

[Dice]

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Here's the thing, it's basic negotiating knowledge that when you've buried yourself into a corner and are the one dependent on the other party you save face and accept the deal. The player's had their profit from anold broken CBA now it's time to realize to accept their losses and move on. The longer they hold out the worse the deal will be point blank. I don't gave any sympathy towards them now really when they've put themselves in to a really toxic situation.

They might as well just push the 'Nuclear Bomb' option and try de-certification. Just blow everything up since they have no other leverage in this war.

[OSUFan_88]

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They might as well just push the 'Nuclear Bomb' option and try de-certification. Just blow everything up since they have no other leverage in this war.

No. This isn't a nuclear bomb. It's flat out a bad idea.

It will not work.

[King_B_Mack]

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So just so we're all clear when the next CBA rolls around, the owners can start off demanding 25% for the players take on BRI and then later concede to 35 and the players should all shut the **** up cause the owners coulda kept demanding 25 and the players are going to need the paychecks that they'll be missing at some point? Cool.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So the owners are looking to break the players and it's the players fault for not taking it quietly?

Everybody is complaining about the players and are completely ignoring the fact that the owners are just as responsible if not more than the players.

When I felt the ball was in the players court I was pro owners. Now that I fell like the ball is in the owners court so now I'm pro players.

Go back and re-read what I said because that's not what I said at all and if you've done YOUR research, you would know that they had a chance to avoid getting a bad deal. Hell, you yourself at the time said they should've accepted it and that they would get a bad deal later if they didn't accept it now all of a sudden, you're complaining about them getting a bad deal?

Honestly, I really don't know what side you're on because you keep going back and forth with your main thing is "Man, how come you guys keep ignoring the Owners" when NOBODY IS DOING THAT AT ALL.

So spare the pity posts about one side getting treated better by a bunch of randoms on the INTERNET OF ALL PLACES over the other whereas if you followed this whole thing from the time it started, that hasn't been the case at all.

But I'm done with the issue man. Keep believing everyone is placing full blame at the players while not blaming the Owners for this mess at all.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Here is my problem with your argument: Yes, the players are "standing united" but the only people hurting are the players. We can all agree that most of the owners have other sources of income and aren't talking a loss (some of the smaller teams may actually save money during the lockout). The players are the ones missing paychecks starting saturday.

So whats the point? The players have no leverage, are going to lose money and will be eventually forced with taking a **** deal now and playing, taking an even ****tier deal in 2012 and missing checks they will never get back or missing an entire season.

Sometimes you have to know when you have a good hand and when you don't....and the players don't.

You're using logic man, don't do that

[aholbert32]

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They might as well just push the 'Nuclear Bomb' option and try de-certification. Just blow everything up since they have no other leverage in this war.

Nuclear bombs are a bad idea if it blows you up. Decert isn't going to get them 53%.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So just so we're all clear when the next CBA rolls around, the owners can start off demanding 25% for the players take on BRI and then later concede to 35 and the players should all shut the **** up cause the owners coulda kept demanding 25 and the players are going to need the paychecks that they'll be missing at some point? Cool.

Yeah, nobody is saying this at all.

The Players(aka Top 10%)had a chance BEFORE the Lockout to take an even better deal than what's currently out there and everyone was screaming "Oh man, they should take that because they won't get another one like that if they wait and it'll only get worse from here" and when they did turn it down, everyone here said they were stupid.

They wanted to take their chance(because of ego and pride)that the Owners would cave in and that the same deal would be on the table in a few months. But now the reality for them(Players)is that the Owners' stance hasn't changed but NOW they're being offered a worse deal than what was originally offered back in June. But because the Owners are now going in on the players Kobe Bryant Style, people are supposed to feel for them when they could've avoided being in this position in the first place back in June?

Nobody told you(Players)to play Russian Roulette with them when it was obvious from the beginning that you would not win this whole thing at all and that's my biggest problem with that. They let their ego and pride get in the way of common sense, especially when those 2 are the biggest downfalls of man.