NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[aholbert32]

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I don't know if this is true, if they were sincere and really care about winning, the same situation can happen again and instead of three superstars having max contracts they could probably have smaller contracts instead

Good point. I just dont think that was likely. I dont think Lebron, Wade and Bosh would have signed if they didnt all couldnt get max money. I have no problems with players sacrificing money to win. The Heat trio didnt have to do that though. They all got max money.

[aholbert32]

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Right there with you. If there was no cap, maybe Sarver wouldn't have forced Kerr to sell Kurt Thomas AND TWO firsts to the Sonics just to save that money that would have gone to his salary + the luxury tax. And maybe that wouldn't have been the beginning of the end for the team.

Maybe, just maybe.

No cap is a horrible idea. I turns the NBA into the English Premier league in Soccer where only 4-6 teams are able to be contenders each year.

[aholbert32]

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I hope there's language that installs some limits on how long a referee can serve. Also age limits. And some other things in that regard.

It is absolutely critical that this whole referee/officiating mess be fixed, because there are people like me who don't have 100% faith in the legitimacy of the sport all the time. Once you even start questioning the legitimacy of what you're watching, it's a bad, bad problem.

The CBA doesnt cover that. That is a separate deal between the refs union and the NBA.

[Mintsa]

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No cap is a horrible idea. I turns the NBA into the English Premier league in Soccer where only 4-6 teams are able to be contenders each year.

I agree. If you ask anyone who follows the NBA they can probably pick 5 teams and 4 of those 5 will be in the eastern/western conference finals. They could probably do that on a yearly basis. This is not good. Look at the NFL.....you could get hundreds of different scenarios when it comes to the final 4 teams. So many teams have a chance. In the NBA it's just not like that. They have to open the league up and make it a little more interesting for the other 26 or so teams in the league.

[aholbert32]

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I agree. If you ask anyone who follows the NBA they can probably pick 5 teams and 4 of those 5 will be in the eastern/western conference finals. They could probably do that on a yearly basis. This is not good. Look at the NFL.....you could get hundreds of different scenarios when it comes to the final 4 teams. So many teams have a chance. In the NBA it's just not like that. They have to open the league up and make it a little more interesting for the other 26 or so teams in the league.

I dont think thats the case in the NBA right now. The final four last year was Miami, Dallas, OKC and Chicago. I'd argue that most people only predicted that the Miami and Chicago would be in the Conference Finals at the beginning of the season.

[Dice]

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Hard cap is a good idea. Why shouldn't smaller market teams get a fair chance to win?! It would restore a lot of people's faith in the league. I think, to a degree, the players are being unfair.

Every team in the NBA has a shot at building a championship. No team is hand cuffed by rules not to do so. There is no rule stating that the Pacers, Nuggets, Kings or Suns cannot win the title or be the best team in the league. The problem is that smaller market teams have less room for error when it comes to mistakes. In order for smaller market teams to be viable in terms of economics, they need to win. And with the economics, winning also makes the team a more desirable destination for possible free agents for these types of teams. If these teams don’t win, then they take a hit financially and their fan base also takes a hit as well. Then from that point small market teams need to carefully plan their way out to make themselves better. They need to make smart choices in coaching and player personnel. And once their team gets back to respectability, they can break even if they have some successful seasons on the court.

Big market teams have the luxury of making money regardless of record. They have more capital available to them so they can sustain losing seasons and not be in the red. But unlike the small market teams, big market teams can buy their way out of a slump. They don’t need to be smart just get the best available player, coach or both. Having money like a big market team doesn’t always guarantee success. The Knicks before last season is a prime example. The Bulls in the early part of the 2000 decade is another. The Lakers in the early 90’s. The Celtics before 2008.

So the major sticking point to some people and some owners is the ability to get out of the hole when it hits your team. Every team can get out of the hole; it’s just the question of the degree of difficulty for some teams compared to others.

To me, the NBA economic system is the simplest form of the capitalist economy. Unfortunately, that’s the society we live in.

[Altimus]

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Agents pushing to overthrow Hunter and the Union. Might happen today.

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Ah... so they finally rear their heads

I was wondering what was going on with them... no way those guys would sit by idle since it affects their pockets as well

[Dice]

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Agents pushing to overthrow Hunter and the Union. Might happen today.

Really? Haven’t they been down this road before with David Falk back in the 1995 lockout? Looks like they’re about to try their hand again with Arn Tellem leading the way.

I hope the players realize that it’s sink or swim going the decertification route. They better be sure that they can get a favorable ruling because if they don’t not only will the season be cancelled BUT if the courts force the players and owners back to the table the players are not going to be given any leeway by the owners. The owners will be going for the throat. That 50-50 BRI split that they’ll probably be agreeing with now would later become a ‘We want you guys to play for $7.25/hour’ proposal from the owners.

[Kashanova]

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I really want to see if the nba voids all contracts....

[Dice]

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I really want to see if the nba voids all contracts....

Not sure BUT if the NLRB and the courts rule in favor of the players then this would be one of the many anti-trust violations they can file. And by court order, the NBA would have to honor the contracts if the courts deem the lockout illegal.

[aholbert32]

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Agents pushing to overthrow Hunter and the Union. Might happen today.

Blow up the season if that happens. Also the players lose even more leverage if that happens.

[clipperfan811]

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Ah... so they finally rear their heads

I was wondering what was going on with them... no way those guys would sit by idle since it affects their pockets as well

To me agents are one of the if not THE primary reasons why we're in this mess. They're the puppeteers behind the scenes that need to be catered to because if you cross the wrong guy you'll be black balled and acquiring top talent becomes all the more difficult.

[23]

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Im not sure decert is the right way to go

That could assuredly either gurantee them a loss or a win.. but im having a hard time seeing them win like that, especially having to take a desperate measure

[aholbert32]

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Im not sure decert is the right way to go

That could assuredly either gurantee them a loss or a win.. but im having a hard time seeing them win like that, especially having to take a desperate measure

Its absolutely the wrong way to go. The NFLPA tried it and it still negotiated a crappy deal. Plus it complicates the deal once a settlement is reached because the NBAPA has to recertify and that takes time.