Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[RedSceptile]

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Honestly the rumor of Kobe Bryant's demise is vastly overstated. We haven't even seen a game and you guys are proclaiming the dude is geriatric, this is absolutely ridiculous.

[1Rose]

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I am in this church.

Im not sure how to fix the gaping pf hole though. Im curious if theres any way the Lakers can grab NeNe either through SandT or something.

Here's an idea - Lakers send those TPEs the 3 1st Round Picks to Denver for Wilson Chandler and NeNe SandT

We know you are. For the love of god, we know.

Look, I get that it's understandable to be optimistic and root for your team, but let's try and be a little realistic here.

Kobe + Dwight alone? Sure, win a bunch of regular season games. Postseason, get exposed and bounced in the 1st or 2nd round.

This isn't anywhere CLOSE to the Shaq and Kobe situation of the past. Kobe isn't 19 anymore and Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel aren't in the prime of their career ready to trot out their and relieve the pressure.

This notion that there will all of a sudden there will be tons of help to sign for Kobe and Dwight, is not plausible, at all. There just isn't a deep market. Maybe in 2 years? Maybe.

So ideally, it would be what Blake/Barnes/Kobe/Caracter?/Dwight

I'm not overly familiar with the depth chart, but that would be something close I would imagine. That team isn't bringing home anything, except maybe a lot of headaches.

Pau/Bynum for Dwight+? (End game)

No, just...no. I understand that's probably enough to sell the Magic, but that is definitely not the end all be all of trades.

[The 24th Letter]

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Mavs fans a little hyped up huh?

Join the Texas championship triangle and go crazy LOL

Catch Houston, then the Spurs, then you can move on the teams like LA.

Kobe is pissed about last season, but hes far from depressed with his 5 rings LOL

[bigeastbumrush]

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Kurt Thomas to the Blazers is a pretty big deal IMO.

He had a huge role on the Bulls last year and who knows what Boozer will give them this year. And Noah's health concerns.

Bulls' frontline just got thinner.

[illwill10]

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[ex carrabba fan]

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Kurt Thomas to the Blazers is a pretty big deal IMO.

He had a huge role on the Bulls last year and who knows what Boozer will give them this year. And Noah's health concerns.

Bulls' frontline just got thinner.

Just a head scratcher. Portland of all teams?

[Drewski]

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We know you are. For the love of god, we know.

Look, I get that it's understandable to be optimistic and root for your team, but let's try and be a little realistic here.

Kobe + Dwight alone? Sure, win a bunch of regular season games. Postseason, get exposed and bounced in the 1st or 2nd round.

This isn't anywhere CLOSE to the Shaq and Kobe situation of the past. Kobe isn't 19 anymore and Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel aren't in the prime of their career ready to trot out their and relieve the pressure.

This notion that there will all of a sudden there will be tons of help to sign for Kobe and Dwight, is not plausible, at all. There just isn't a deep market. Maybe in 2 years? Maybe.

So ideally, it would be what Blake/Barnes/Kobe/Caracter?/Dwight

I'm not overly familiar with the depth chart, but that would be something close I would imagine. That team isn't bringing home anything, except maybe a lot of headaches.



No, just...no. I understand that's probably enough to sell the Magic, but that is definitely not the end all be all of trades.

Never said that trade was the end all be all, but Pau and Bynum, 3 1sts, and Cap absorbance (2 tpe's and other cap shuffling) is a giant offer for the Magic, and is currently MUCH better than the Nets offer (or are you going to tell me that Brook and 2 1sts is better than Bynum/Gasol/3 1sts).

I've also never said that Dwight and Kobe are going to dominate the league. I have huge questions about this roster. I believe Dwight/Kobe/Lamar would have been perfectly ok, but having to lose Lamar the way the Lakers did is a setback (thanks Stern).

You seem to think that the Lakers are just going to sit-back and say OH WELL. Many teams likely would, but Mitch Kupchak will continue to seek to improve this roster. And I'm not entirely sold that the CP3 thing is out of the window (Stern stated multiple times that the trade needed an additional pick/youth. Guess what the Lakers just received).

Dwight is by no means a guarantee to the Lakers, and I've also stated that up and down. I've consistently said that the Nets are in the running. But Brook is NOT better than Pau and Bynum, that's without considering 3 1sts (2 for 12, the draft everyone is looking at with a ton of 2nd year guys coming out + a bevy of one and done's).

You're right, there isn't a deep market. That's why I believe Kupchak is woking triple time right now trying to work some of this madness through. But if you think Mitch and the Lakers are just going to roll over and A) Get shafted on the NO trade B) Lose Lamar for monopoly money, then we may as well stop conversing and I'd appreciate if you stop attaching generalizations to my statements that hold no water.

[1Rose]

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Never said that trade was the end all be all, but Pau and Bynum, 3 1sts, and Cap absorbance (2 tpe's and other cap shuffling) is a giant offer for the Magic, and is currently MUCH better than the Nets offer (or are you going to tell me that Brook and 2 1sts is better than Bynum/Gasol/3 1sts).

I've also never said that Dwight and Kobe are going to dominate the league. I have huge questions about this roster. I believe Dwight/Kobe/Lamar would have been perfectly ok, but having to lose Lamar the way the Lakers did is a setback.

You seem to think that the Lakers are just going to sit-back and say OH WELL. Many teams likely would, but Mitch Kupchak will continue to seek to improve this roster. And I'm not entirely sold that the CP3 thing is out of the window (Stern stated multiple times that the trade needed an additional pick/youth. Guess what the Lakers just received).

Dwight is by no means a guarantee to the Lakers, and I've also stated that up and down. I've consistently said that the Nets are in the running. But Brook is NOT better than Pau and Bynum, that's without considering 3 1sts (2 for 12, the draft everyone is looking at with a ton of 2nd year guys coming out + a bevy of one and done's).

You're right, there isn't a deep market. That's why I believe Kupchak is woking triple time right now trying to work some of this madness through. But if you think Mitch and the Lakers are just going to roll over and A) Get shafted on the NO trade B) Lose Lamar for monopoly money, then we may as well stop conversing and I'd appreciate if you stop attaching generalizations to my statements that hold no water.

Huh? Didn't you just quote Matrix when he said that that Laker team would be more than enough to be very successful , and said...

I am in this church.

Didn't know taking what you actually said was making generalizations? Looks like that holds plenty of water to me.

Also usually when you type end game, after a point, it means you believe that should cease discussion on the matter, unless it has a new definition I wasn't aware of.

Yeah, Pau/Bynum +Picks would be a good deal for the Magic, and never said Brook + Picks would be better than that. (Lets talk about making generalizations) Either way, the Bulls can offer better.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Lakers' management right now

Wasn't all that thrilled but still cautiously optimistic with the chances to get back into title contention with the current team, but sure, go ahead and just trade away LO for nothing.



They are not in a good spot right now, and there's nothing they can do to improve themselves. At best they can move lateral and maybe get Dwight for Pau/Andrew, but at this point Orlando would be better off with another club's offer.

[Drewski]

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Huh? Didn't you just quote Matrix when he said that that Laker team would be more than enough to be very successful , and said...



Didn't know taking what you actually said was making generalizations? Looks like that holds plenty of water to me.

Also usually when you type end game, after a point, it means you believe that should cease discussion on the matter, unless it has a new definition I wasn't aware of.

Yeah, Pau/Bynum +Picks would be a good deal for the Magic, and never said Brook + Picks would be better than that. (Lets talk about making generalizations) Either way, the Bulls can offer better.

Noah/Boozer/Deng better than Bynum/Gasol 3 1sts? Definitely....

Quoting Matrix because people acting like Kobe/Dwight isn't going to be formidable enough is ludicrous. Suddenly Kobe isn't better than ANYONE that Dwight has ever had on that team by lightyears, and Dwight isn't 26 years old and only getting better. Alrighty then.

End game as in Mitch's end game plan.

Bulls package is alright but not thrilling.

If the Bulls were actively pushing, they'd already be ahead of the Nets, and would be close to the Lakers' package. Seems unlikely the Nets would have the assets if Mitch puts Gasol/Bynum/1sts out there.

Also, still not sold that the negotiations with the Houston Rockets didn't give the Lakers' some ideas. Would the Magic rather have Gasol, or pieces from Houston (K-Mart, Picks, etc)? If so, the Lakers could definitely try to grab Dwight + a few pieces to clean up the roster, and that's that.

Or we just lost Lamar Odom for nothing.

[Drewski]

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Lakers' management right now

Wasn't all that thrilled but still cautiously optimistic with the chances to get back into title contention with the current team, but sure, go ahead and just trade away LO for nothing.



They are not in a good spot right now, and there's nothing they can do to improve themselves. At best they can move lateral and maybe get Dwight for Pau/Andrew, but at this point Orlando would be better off with another club's offer.

Curious what offer you think is better than Bynum/Gasol/3 1sts (2 for '12)/TPE usage. I just don't see one out there.

[Weeks]

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Bulls fans, do you think bulls will sign anyone aside from rip? (assuming he's gonna sign)

With rip we have

Rose|Watson|Lucas III(?)
Hamilton|Brewer|Bogans
Deng|Korver|Butler
Boozer|Gibson|Scalabrine(?)
Noah|Asik

Even though we have, what I think, is the best four person big man rotation. We know Booz will miss time, and Noah will likely miss time. So I'm wondering if they will go after any C's with Big Sexy going to Portland.

[JaySmooov]

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Why does Kobe even need to get to the rim? You act like he's Lebron and he needs to drive and dunk in order to add to his PPG career average. He doesn't.

Kobe Bryant has the best footwork in the league. One of the highest BBIQ's. Can read a defense and adjust accordingly. Is the best non-big in the post (and is consistently better than most bigs "post" games). Has one of the best mid range jumpers. You think Kobe needs to "get to the rim" to win a title? Sorry, that aint' flying.

Lakers never needed both Dwight and CP3. The only catch in all of this was losing Lamar Odom, almost for nothing, because of the botch job by the league (the same botch job I believe that stopped Lakers from landing both, but that's for another day).

Paul definitely would have gotten to the rim, but more importantly, Kobe would have been able to work his offensive game at a much more efficient level, while not having to handle the ball. I didn't like the Paul trade without Dwight, personally, because we lost our entire depth at the 4.

But Dwight and Paul are once in a generation superstars, and if you have a remote chance of landing them both, you have to. Guess it's Mitch's fault for wanting to try and accomplish this craziness since he has the "Lakers" name attached to him.

You keep going on and on about how the Lakers are done, Kobe apparently is a scrub who didn't just get the most time away to heal from basketball he has -ever- had (while also undergoing a unique knee procedure and treatment), and (good lord can't believe I'm saying this) Mike Brown appears to have a more efficient offense in the works that Kobe says he spent -all- off-season learning (inside and out according to Kobe).

I know it's easy and trendy to hate on the Lakers (I have to repel it non-stop), but don't let it confuse you. Kobe played a great season and the Mavericks caught the Lakers. It happens. Lose a playoff series after 3 straight Finals and 2 rings and suddenly your team is washed up? Common NBA sensationalism at it's best, as usual.

And you think Kobe/Dwight is the only thing that Mitch is positioning? Please. And if it was? I'd still be excited to see Kobe and Dwight tear through the league.

One heck of a sales pitch.

LMAO we ain't buyin that though.

[Drewski]

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One heck of a sales pitch.

LMAO we ain't buyin that though.

Ok you win. Kobe sucks. Good response you showed me.

[illwill10]

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