Game Discussion Thread 1/2/12 - 1/8/12

[jeebs9]

Re: Game Discussion Thread 1/2/12 - 1/8/12

So how many consecutive shots did Kobe put up after he fell on his wrist trying to take the charge on Wallace? It's hilarious. Dude still doesn't get it. He gets into these random modes where he's trying to prove something by dribbling the basketball for 20 seconds and hoisting up an ill-advised/contested shot. He did that what seemed like five straight possessions after he fell on his hurt wrist.

I wish someone would Sprewell him for doing stupid **** like that. He was the sole reason they got down and never came back. Bynum was once again beasting and then they just stopped looking for him, Kobe went into weird Kobe mode.

Sorry Wiz fans

I think that's where the Lakers will the triangle offense. Now Kobe has the green light to put up any shots he wants.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Game Discussion Thread 1/2/12 - 1/8/12

I think that's where the Lakers will the triangle offense. Now Kobe has the green light to put up any shots he wants.

I don't think they miss it at all. Now that it's more open, guys are just going out there and playing basketball as opposed to thinking about timing cuts and passes and being at certain spots on the floor.

Let's not forget that Kobe has been doing this since 1996. Under Del Harris, Rambis, Phil, Rudy, Phil, and now Brown.

It's not a matter of offensive schemes, it's a matter of Kobe going rouge and taking the offense hostage.

He completely takes the other four guys out of rhythm, and even if he makes some of those hero shots, it's still not conducive to getting his teammates involved/winning basketball. It's just horrible awful basketball all around. It doesn't matter if it's the triangle or whatever, Kobe always feels the need to go five or six straight possessions where it's all him.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Game Discussion Thread 1/2/12 - 1/8/12

Not good news. <S class=hash>#</S>Hornets guard Eric Gordon out 2-3 weeks. Injured knee needs rest.

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[23]

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Well people have defended him for all of these years too, so he has no reason to feel he's doing anything wrong

...again though, I dont think its happening because too many people are starting to call Bynum's name, but I can't say yet.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Well people have defended him for all of these years too, so he has no reason to feel he's doing anything wrong

...again though, I dont think its happening because too many people are starting to call Bynum's name, but I can't say yet.

I think "defended" is much too strong of a word. Tolerated is much better IMO.

Plus winning rings doesn't help the situation. Just masks all of Bryant's worst tendencies.

[jfsolo]

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I think that Kobe needs to take that same, "no eff you 3's" pledge that Wade and LeBron seem to have taken. It's helped Miami's offense tremendously, and it would help Kobe and the Lakers greatly too. Metta World Ron Ron needs to sign his name on dotted line too.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I think that Kobe needs to take that same, "no eff you 3's" pledge that Wade and LeBron seem to have taken. It's helped Miami's offense tremendously, and it would help Kobe and the Lakers greatly too. Metta World Ron Ron needs to sign his name on dotted line too.

Not a single three pointer made last night. SMH

3.9/17 on the season, 22%. Third worst.

[23]

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I think "defended" is much too strong of a word. Tolerated is much better IMO.

Plus winning rings doesn't help the situation. Just masks all of Bryant's worst tendencies.

Defended by alot of people is right

All we ever got was, well his teammates suck

I even seen people say he's too good for them

The thing is, it inspired more of the same behaviour. At this point its too late to change it. Mike Brown can't say anything because it wont change a thing anyway

While it wasnt everybody, there were quite a few...ALOT which I know were alot of bandwagon and Kobe only fans anyway.

[23]

Re: Game Discussion Thread 1/2/12 - 1/8/12

I think that Kobe needs to take that same, "no eff you 3's" pledge that Wade and LeBron seem to have taken. It's helped Miami's offense tremendously, and it would help Kobe and the Lakers greatly too. Metta World Ron Ron needs to sign his name on dotted line too.

LOL dude Ron Artest thinks in his mind that he's a young Ray Allen sometimes though.. he always has

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: Game Discussion Thread 1/2/12 - 1/8/12

Defended by alot of people is right

All we ever got was, well his teammates suck

I even seen people say he's too good for them

The thing is, it inspired more of the same behaviour. At this point its too late to change it. Mike Brown can't say anything because it wont change a thing anyway

While it wasnt everybody, there were quite a few...ALOT which I know were alot of bandwagon and Kobe only fans anyway.

"His teammates suck" comments were only made for 1.5 years, and yeah his teammates did suck.

I don't know who in their right mind would defend Kobe's shot selection other than rabid Laker/Kobe fans over the years.

Phil seethed at his shot selection. Shaq did, obviously.

But they were winning games and rings, so they tolerated it until the wheels came off after the first three rings.

Who has defended Kobe outside of a Jerry West?

[TMagic]

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I don't think they miss it at all. Now that it's more open, guys are just going out there and playing basketball as opposed to thinking about timing cuts and passes and being at certain spots on the floor.

Let's not forget that Kobe has been doing this since 1996. Under Del Harris, Rambis, Phil, Rudy, Phil, and now Brown.

It's not a matter of offensive schemes, it's a matter of Kobe going rouge and taking the offense hostage.

He completely takes the other four guys out of rhythm, and even if he makes some of those hero shots, it's still not conducive to getting his teammates involved/winning basketball. It's just horrible awful basketball all around. It doesn't matter if it's the triangle or whatever, Kobe always feels the need to go five or six straight possessions where it's all him.

Agreed with everything here 100% Ex.

The thing I don't get is how I know he's smart enough to pick up just how well the Lakers are when he's playing as a facilitator and just picking his spots to score, just taking what the D is giving him. And it hasn't been just this year. Like you said, it's been that way his whole career.

What's crazy is that Kobe is an excellent facilitator when he approaches the game that way. He makes great decisions with the ball when looking to keep the team involved and the Lakers offense looks beautiful. He can be in that 7-8 assist range every game easily.

I would understand if the offense is struggling and can't get anything going. Then go ahead and try to take over. Whatever. Been when you got the biggest and best PF/C combo in the league dominating games like they have been doing, there's no reason for it.

Old habits die hard I guess.

[JaySmooov]

Re: Game Discussion Thread 1/2/12 - 1/8/12

Kobe is, well Kobe, the Lakers and the fans are the ride-or-die chicks.

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"His teammates suck" comments were only made for 1.5 years, and yeah his teammates did suck.

I don't know who in their right mind would defend Kobe's shot selection other than rabid Laker/Kobe fans over the years.

Phil seethed at his shot selection. Shaq did, obviously.

But they were winning games and rings, so they tolerated it until the wheels came off after the first three rings.

Who has defended Kobe outside of a Jerry West?

Yeah they sucked but so what, he's not unique to what other stars have dealt with and they didnt go off on a tangent. it was similar with Caron and Odom as it is with Bynum and gang

They shoot a better percentage as a team but he takes the majority of the shots at a low percentage anyway, then blame them

...and yes it is mostly rabid bandwagon fans...most of the ones that talk alot are the majority of so called Lakers fans. The same ones who dont care to talk about basketball if they arent winning.. sad I know

For awhile man it was Odumb, Gasoft, it was Shaq, it was Phil, it was Mitch, and everybody else that didnt fit in with doing it Kobe's way.. .plenty of fans and media gave the dude a pass... not all but plenty

like I said.. its not just all simple arrogance that he feels he can do what he's doing now

[ex carrabba fan]

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23, yeah of course Kobe wasn't the first guy to go through a season with bad teammates. They weren't going to win regardless of how he played during those seasons. So it's whatever. I'm sure MJ/TMac/AI other volume scorers had their fair share of ball hog seasons. Kobe is the king no doubt.

I agree with TMagic he has shown the ability in spots, to be almost the perfect basketball player.

In 2007-2008, outside of the finals, he played the game like a true leader. You couldn't have asked for a better approach from him that season.

The team over the recent years has been set up so perfectly for Kobe to fall back in the offense and just be the closer. Unfortunately we all know Kobe will never reign his game in and will always do whatever he wants to do.

Honestly, how can you [Kobe Bryant] sit and look at your game film over the years, and over this season, and not think to yourself 'damn, I'm a black hole'. Someone that smart, with that IQ, it's hilarious that he chooses to play the way he does.

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By the way, not to just be on Kobe...but the teams defense

I saw Mike Brown screaming so hard last night that he sounded like a woman

Wife was near me when they played the clip and she was like who is that... its annoying

I think its a case where you can't teach an old dog new tricks... they'll play sometimes but if its not imbedded in them then they'll slack off

Last night kobe took that bad shot then slowly galloped down on Wallace and watched him windmill

...but he's going to be on the all team defense anyway

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