Most complete PF today

[Find_the_Door]

In my honest (unbiased) opinion Aldridge is the most "complete" Power Forward in today's game, he brings a high and low post presence/game and can rebound. He's got a very good rangy jumper and plays solid (good but not great) defense, he can also pass pretty well. How can he not make it?? . . .

Griffin is a better dunker/finisher
Griffin is a better ball handler
Bosh is better at the pick and pop
Love is a better rebounder
Love is a better passer
Dirk has a better jumper/high post game
Gasol has a better post game

. . . Aldridge is a better Power Forward (he does all of the above pretty well)

Not to mention everyone talks about Grffin's flash and everyone thinks he's the king of Alley-oops, Aldridge lead the league in points scored off of Alley-oops last season. I know he's in a "small market" but do you guys think he'll get an All-star birth this year?

[SteelersFreak]

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Eh, I think Dirk is right there with Aldridge, Dirk has the most versatile offensive game right now and he's a better defender than people give him credit for. I'd put Love in the conversation as well while Griffin still has a ways to go, especially with his outside game.

[AlexBrady]

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Decent player, here is my handle on his game.

LaMarcus Aldridge

Ball Handling-2
Passing-2
Speed-3
Creating Own Shot-4
Spot Shooting-4
Shot Selection-3
Scoring-4
Effectiveness W/O Ball-2
Defensive Position-2
Defensive Anticipation-2
Strength-3
Offensive Rebounding-2
Defensive Rebounding-3
Consistency-3
Versatility-3
Durability-4

Total-46/64

LEGEND
1=Poor
2=Average
3=Good
4=Outstanding

His main competition might be Blake Griffin and Kevin Love. I had Griffin at 48/64 and Love at 44/64.
The most complete power forward I ever saw was Dave DeBusschere, and I had him at 56/64.

[AnnihilusLivius]

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I would take Dirk over Aldridge any day in terms of offensive skills. However Dirk isn't getting any younger. But as far as I'm seeing right now, Kevin Love will be an amazing PF, he rebounds, blocks, scores alot, inside & outside. So in like 2/3 years we're gonna see Love being the best PF in the league, just my two cents.

[RedSceptile]

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Decent player, here is my handle on his game.

LaMarcus Aldridge

Ball Handling-2
Passing-2
Speed-3
Creating Own Shot-4
Spot Shooting-4
Shot Selection-3
Scoring-4
Effectiveness W/O Ball-2
Defensive Position-2
Defensive Anticipation-2
Strength-3
Offensive Rebounding-2
Defensive Rebounding-3
Consistency-3
Versatility-3
Durability-4

Total-45/64

LEGEND
1=Poor
2=Average
3=Good
4=Outstanding

His main competition might be Blake Griffin and Kevin Love. I had Griffin at 48/64 and Love at 44/64.
The most complete power forward I ever saw was Dave DeBusschere, and I had him at 56/64.

Hmmmmmm AlexBrady you think DeBusschere is more complete than Duncan, Garnett, McHale of the top of my head? I respect his body of work just want to hear what you think.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Hmmmmmm AlexBrady you think DeBusschere is more complete than Duncan, Garnett, McHale of the top of my head? I respect his body of work just want to hear what you think.

I didn't get to see McHale when he played, but from everything I've read, wasn't he pretty much incredible scoring in the low post but a liability in pretty much every other area of the game? I could see Duncan though. One of the greatest players of all-time right there.

[snowfish]

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Does Zach Randolph get any consideration?

[AlexBrady]

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Hmmmmmm AlexBrady you think DeBusschere is more complete than Duncan, Garnett, McHale of the top of my head? I respect his body of work just want to hear what you think.

DeBusschere was a rangy power forward, 6'6" 235, he also had the strength of a center. Shooting range out to 25 feet, which created space for his power drives. Snappy passer and devestating screener, excellent at using his full weight to box out. The best man to man defender I've ever seen (his strength gives him an edge over Rodman). His speciality was shoving his chest into the opponent's face all game long, the only way to combat this was to run very tight screen/rolls to create shooting space for a guard. If he had a weakness, he wasn't a jet-setter.

Duncan and McHale were post-driven scorers, defenders, and rebounders. They are right there with DeBusschere. Garnett was a spidery defender and a jump-shooter, but he lacked power.

[ZB9]

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Aldridge is certainly a more complete player than Griffin imo

Griffin is too limited offensively right now to be ranked highly as a complete player imo

[iLLosophy]

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Alex - made my updates below:

Decent player, here is my handle on his game.

LaMarcus Aldridge

Speed-2 (-1)
Creating Own Shot-2 (-2)
Shot Selection-4 (+1)
Offensive Rebounding-3 (+1)
Defensive Rebounding-2 (-1)
Consistency-4 (+1)

Total-45/64

LEGEND
1=Poor
2=Average
3=Good
4=Outstanding

You have him way too much for defensive rebounding. 2 would be generous. Also I can't co-sign the 4 for creating his own shot. Guys like Love, Randolph, Nowitzki (recently), Jefferson, West are 4's. Aldridge's offense depends a lot on his team, whether it's alley oops or pick n pops. But when they do get him the ball he is very consistent.

[Drewski]

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Clearly the T-Wolves don't vote for Love here.

[wwharton]

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Why do I feel like this thread was just made bc Aldridge wasn't included in the title of the "Love vs Griffin" thread?

[iLLosophy]

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Why do I feel like this thread was just made bc Aldridge wasn't included in the title of the "Love vs Griffin" thread?

To me aldridge seems to play like dirk back when the Mavs kept losing in the playoffs. He kind of goes with the flow and receives whatever is given to him versus taking it. LA's able to shoot over his defenders and honestly catching an alley oop isn't that hard when your defender is guarding the ball handler. Griffin plays like he has no regard for human life, and kevin love just has an insane work ethic - both players put in 100% in their 36 minutes. I still can't say the same for aldridge at this point in his career.

[ballsohard]

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But as far as I'm seeing right now, Kevin Love will be an amazing PF, he rebounds, blocks, scores alot, inside & outside. So in like 2/3 years we're gonna see Love being the best PF in the league, just my two cents.

Love is already the best PF in the league.

Blake might end up being better down the road, but right now he is still too raw.

[dramachild11]

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im not sure if youd label him a 3 or a 4, but i think josh smith has to be in this convo.. of everyone mentioned hes the best defender, he runs the floor just as well as griffin an his athleticism is comparable, he can pass, an inside the paint he really is a handful, hes nowhere near love in terms of outside shooting but then neither is blake or LA