Jeremy Lin

[DukeC]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Yeah, I have to agree with that. Not that I think you could take any team and have them keep pace, not what I was suggesting, but I don't think it's that far fetched considering not every team is a powerhouse. Which was my point. Not every matchup was comparable to him going up against the likes of a CP or DW, but with that said I do think that his experience is about as legit as you can get. Invaluable time put in for a young kid and it shows.

I love hearing about players from these EU leagues coming over and making an impact, I'm all for that. But there is a reason you see guys not able to translate their game from there to here. It's not quite the same level of play top to bottom.

I get what the comparison with college FB and pro FB, but I think a comparison between the MLB and, say, a Japanese league, is more of an honest, fair comparison. They play some serious ball but a lot of these cats that come over struggle to convert, translate their game. I know, different sports and different mentalities, variables bleh

Either way, I'm all for young talent and I'm glad that Rubio, Irving and Lin have been able to show that they can play. Seriously bummed about Rubio going down like that, too. That's rough.

Now you're comparing pro leagues to each other, which is fine, since the NBA as a whole is most likely better than a league of Euro teams. Even that might be debatable. I just thought the college to pro comparisons were massively off base.

In Japan the difference between Highschool/University ball is like night and day. Just like our College/MLB system. The difference is massive. Comparing across countries with PRO sports is such a difficult thing to do, much less trying to guage the level of College to different PRO sports in other countries.

Also of course, like all sports the talent disparity between individuals on teams is the same in any country to be honest. You'll have teams loaded with talent and other teams not so much. It's just, when you become a pro at anything that means you were creme of the crop at the lower level, get what I'm saying?

But, yeah...Kyrie is the best player in this draft. In fact it's:

1. Kyrie
2. Rubio/Brandon Knight
3. Isiah Thomas

I do think that a Brandon Knight vs Kyrie matchup could end up much like Deron vs Chris Paul. Brandon needs help while I think Kyrie can make his teammates better more easily.

I think in general the NBA just goes about scouting all wrong (which is why guys like Lin and Isiah Thomas slip through the cracks).

[Vast]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Lin played pretty well last night agains the leagues best point guard. The kid has a good work ethic, I see him being a good starting point guard in the years to come.

What people forget is that he played the 2 position in College, so he's now learning how to be a point guard.

He wasn't a point guard his whole life like Rubio. Taking that into account I'm impressed. He's been starting to cut down on the turnovers which is crucial to his success.

[thaima1shu]

Re: Jeremy Lin

But, yeah...Kyrie is the best player in this draft. In fact it's:

1. Kyrie
2. Rubio/Brandon Knight
3. Isiah Thomas

I do think that a Brandon Knight vs Kyrie matchup could end up much like Deron vs Chris Paul. Brandon needs help while I think Kyrie can make his teammates better more easily.

I think in general the NBA just goes about scouting all wrong (which is why guys like Lin and Isiah Thomas slip through the cracks).

It's Isaiah, not Isiah. Had to correct that

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Remember when Linsanity was a big deal?

[CMH]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Remember when Linsanity was a big deal?

Yes. I also remember when people made a big deal about it because they thought it would last all season.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: Jeremy Lin

You're trying to tell me 6 years of professional basketball and an Olympic appearance is the same as playing at Harvard?

Lin's first experience against NBA pros wasn't when he got the starting job from the Knicks. He's been on the block since 2010 (that means NBA workouts and practices, Summer Leagues, and the NBDL). Its not like he's been pulled straight from the playing fields Harvard to MSG. Thats almost how some of the last few post have been sounding. He's had a better than bad opportunity to get acclimated to life on the court in the NBA.

[Jukeman]

Lin played pretty well last night agains the leagues best point guard. The kid has a good work ethic, I see him being a good starting point guard in the years to come.

What people forget is that he played the 2 position in College, so he's now learning how to be a point guard.

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Exactly why it annoys me when I read/hear comments that he's a pass first PG, remind people of Nash or is the best PG they've seen since Magic (and any other elite PG bs comments)

It shows that they dont know anything about the guy's game outside of "linsanity"

I dont know why we set high expectations to these players in the first place and it bothers me that ESPN beats him up after every bad game while the Linheads look to find an excuse after every bad game which usually echo what sane NBA fans been saying since the event started.

He was even projected as a 2 guard.

Lol and I remember when he gave Uconn his season high of 30 pts back in 09 (speaking of college)


I guess what I am trying to say is that Lin is a Scorer, he always will be a scorer. he needs work on his PG skills (hence why he was overlooked yet still ended up on rosters his rookie year because of his overall skill set)

Media (espn) deceived people during Linsanity (posting screens comparing him to great PG's)

So now when he struggle the media (espn) likes to point out the little rookie mistakes that you expect from a young player still learning to play PG (Westbrook still make mistakes a true PG wouldnt make) after every lost.



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[King_B_Mack]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Exactly why it annoys me when I read/hear comments that he's a pass first PG, remind people of Nash or is the best PG they've seen since Magic (and any other elite PG bs comments)

It shows that they dont know anything about the guy's game outside of "linsanity"

I dont know why we set high expectations to these players in the first place and it bothers me that ESPN beats him up after every bad game while the Linheads look to find an excuse after every bad game which usually echo what sane NBA fans been saying since the event started.

He was even projected as a 2 guard.

Lol and I remember when he gave Uconn his season high of 30 pts back in 09 (speaking of college)




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Seriously, what the hell do some of you guys actually watch on tv? When has ESPN EVER beatup Lin? Beats him up after every bad game? You mean the same network that overlooks or glosses over every 6+ turnover game to keep blowing up the Linsanity balloon? I've seriously never seen them beat him up.

[Jukeman]

Seriously, what the hell do some of you guys actually watch on tv? When has ESPN EVER beatup Lin? Beats him up after every bad game? You mean the same network that overlooks or glosses over every 6+ turnover game to keep blowing up the Linsanity balloon? I've seriously never seen them beat him up.

Im assuming you dont watch NBA tonight? Or caught any nba related discussion after a Knick lost in their last 5 games?

Maybe I should have used "criticized" instead.

(dude shouldnt be criticized for making rookie mistakes; ESPN are stating the obvious)


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[SteelersFreak]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Lin's first experience against NBA pros wasn't when he got the starting job from the Knicks. He's been on the block since 2010 (that means NBA workouts and practices, Summer Leagues, and the NBDL). Its not like he's been pulled straight from the playing fields Harvard to MSG. Thats almost how some of the last few post have been sounding. He's had a better than bad opportunity to get acclimated to life on the court in the NBA.

Except he barely played last season and his time with the Knicks brought a completely different set of players and a completely different system.

[djep]

Re: Jeremy Lin

He didn't play much last season, no real training camps this year - he is pretty much a rookie PG going through all the struggles you would expect from a rookie PG.

Linsanity was a two week period the likes of which I have never seen...possibly never will again. The city that was on such a high following the Giants SB win, the Knicks were awful with Melo and Amare and then Linsanity hit. If it weren't for Linsanity (which was always more about the effect Lin had on the whole team rather than his own play IMO) the Knicks would be 11-24. Guys like Jeffries, Novak, Shump, Fields, Chandler, Walker - they were all playing their best ball in that period.

I thought he played real well in Chicago. He looked more comfortable and energetic on the court than I had seen him since Anthony came back.

[Sam Marlowe]

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Im speaking more to his developement as an individual player which seems to be how the comparisons are being drawn with Rubio and Irving. The Jeremy Lin that was drafted by the Warriors wasnt good enough to do what Lin did when he got the starting job with the Knicks. He's been around the block (in terms of being exposed to NBA level talent and coaching) and has a great work ethic. He should be ok long term. But he's isn't a bright eyed, bushy tailed youngster fresh from the Ivy League. Its a kncok against him to say so.The man's put in work.

[wwharton]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Im speaking more to his developement as an individual player which seems to be how the comparisons are being drawn with Rubio and Irving. The Jeremy Lin that was drafted by the Warriors wasnt good enough to do what Lin did when he got the starting job with the Knicks. He's been around the block (in terms of being exposed to NBA level talent and coaching) and has a great work ethic. He should be ok long term. But he's isn't a bright eyed, bushy tailed youngster fresh from the Ivy League. Its a kncok against him to say so.The man's put in work.

That part of the discussion actually started with a comparison to Rubio in terms of looking like a deer in headlights. Lin has every right to have the deer in headlights look... even still every now and then. Meanwhile Rubio wouldn't have been grilled for that a little early in the season, but one should expect him to have a quicker adjustment to the league since he's been playing heavy minutes in a premiere role on professional teams for years.

[ehh]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Yeah, Rubio playing in the 2008 Gold Medal game is head and shoulders above anything Lin ever played in terms of pressure, bright lights, etc. Hell, most NBA players have never played in a game that pressure-packed and intense.

[PlusTheHarm]

Yeah, Rubio playing in the 2008 Gold Medal game is head and shoulders above anything Lin ever played in terms of pressure, bright lights, etc. Hell, most NBA players have never played in a game that pressure-packed and intense.

Too true. Unseen experience by many. That was never the suggestion. The thing was the comment about preparation for both cats, not equal, but whatever.

Lin's experience over the last two years was beneficial, maybe not to the magnitude of Rubio's, but still something. That summer league video that circulated was an indication of his potential. Not dogging on Rubio, and my comment about some college teams maybe standing up to some of the competition he saw was silly, that was another issue.

Idea though was that both have experience. Not the same level, sure, but these guys have been groomed for ball. I never thought Lin was going to become some top 10 PG, not of the potential caliber of a Rubio, or Irving (coming off zero college ball - but a potential standpoint), but a solid player.