Jeremy Lin

[dramachild11]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Is kyrie irving turning the ball over 6 times every other game? did rubio look like a deer in the headlights at any point this season? i like lin a lil bit but i dont know i just think hes an above average back-up, which is not a knock on him at all i actually think its a compliment, to go from being undrafted to being an important piece of a team is a great accomplishment... people just really seemed to get ahead of themselves here NYC like always, the guy played out of his freaking mind for 10 games cause no one gameplanned for him AT ALL and if your being honest he wasnt exactly facing elite competition during that roll (at the pg position i mean) .. someone will no doubt bring up deron williams in the first game they played but what happened in the second game when deron actually knew his name? he cooked him for 38....

[PlusTheHarm]

Is kyrie irving turning the ball over 6 times every other game? did rubio look like a deer in the headlights at any point this season? i like lin a lil bit but i dont know i just think hes an above average back-up, which is not a knock on him at all i actually think its a compliment, to go from being undrafted to being an important piece of a team is a great accomplishment... people just really seemed to get ahead of themselves here NYC like always, the guy played out of his freaking mind for 10 games cause no one gameplanned for him AT ALL and if your being honest he wasnt exactly facing elite competition during that roll (at the pg position i mean) .. someone will no doubt bring up deron williams in the first game they played but what happened in the second game when deron actually knew his name? he cooked him for 38....

Hah dramachild got it.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Is kyrie irving turning the ball over 6 times every other game? did rubio look like a deer in the headlights at any point this season? i like lin a lil bit but i dont know i just think hes an above average back-up, which is not a knock on him at all i actually think its a compliment, to go from being undrafted to being an important piece of a team is a great accomplishment... people just really seemed to get ahead of themselves here NYC like always, the guy played out of his freaking mind for 10 games cause no one gameplanned for him AT ALL and if your being honest he wasnt exactly facing elite competition during that roll (at the pg position i mean) .. someone will no doubt bring up deron williams in the first game they played but what happened in the second game when deron actually knew his name? he cooked him for 38....

Ricky Rubio is a horrible comparison. He's been playing professional basketball since 2005 and he's participated in an Olympics.

[PlusTheHarm]

They all had their time to get prepped. I know I didn't hear people saying Rubio wouldn't transition because both leagues were so similar. Rubio faced as many hardships entering the NBA as either. Kyrie played basically zero college ball, and look. El Rubicon played in a league that saw talent and comp that probably couldn't compete with some NCAA teams.

EU ball has risen, is tough, but the parity isn't close. We all knew Rubio coming in was a wildcard. People gotta act like projecting him to be a star was some prophetic claim. No one knew with certainty how he would transition, was a guessing game, and not too surprising he fit. Some said he could, others doubted. You don't know until you do know. Far as I know we don't know ish about either. I need more than a year, seen enough to know how people can fall off. Young talent doesn't guarantee.

[SteelersFreak]

Re: Jeremy Lin

They all had their time to get prepped. I know I didn't hear people saying Rubio wouldn't transition because both leagues were so similar. Rubio faced as many hardships entering the NBA as either. Kyrie played basically zero college ball, and look. El Rubicon played in a league that saw talent and comp that probably couldn't compete with some NCAA teams.

EU ball has risen, is tough, but the parity isn't close. We all knew Rubio coming in was a wildcard. People gotta act like projecting him to be a star was some prophetic claim. No one knew with certainty how he would transition, was a guessing game, and not too surprising he fit. Some said he could, others doubted. You don't know until you do know. Far as I know we don't know ish about either. I need more than a year, seen enough to know how people can fall off. Young talent doesn't guarantee.

You're trying to tell me 6 years of professional basketball and an Olympic appearance is the same as playing at Harvard?

[CMH]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Is kyrie irving turning the ball over 6 times every other game? did rubio look like a deer in the headlights at any point this season? i like lin a lil bit but i dont know i just think hes an above average back-up, which is not a knock on him at all i actually think its a compliment, to go from being undrafted to being an important piece of a team is a great accomplishment... people just really seemed to get ahead of themselves here NYC like always, the guy played out of his freaking mind for 10 games cause no one gameplanned for him AT ALL and if your being honest he wasnt exactly facing elite competition during that roll (at the pg position i mean) .. someone will no doubt bring up deron williams in the first game they played but what happened in the second game when deron actually knew his name? he cooked him for 38....

Looks like you didn't read the thread.

[PlusTheHarm]

Re: Jeremy Lin

You're trying to tell me 6 years of professional basketball and an Olympic appearance is the same as playing at Harvard?

No, I'm not.

[DukeC]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Are we really dogging the European basketball so much that we're saying College teams can beat the teams over there? Are you kidding me? Where do you think former college stars go if they can't (or aren't given a chance) make it to the NBA? They go to Europe and play ball there. Hell, Spain has some of the best players in the world aside from the U.S. Juan Carlos Navarro would decimate Collegiate athletes. Guess where he plays pro ball?

Man, I never what to ever read another post like that on here again that takes "America is better" to the extreme as you just did. Disgraceful.

[PlusTheHarm]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Wait, huh? Alright, I see how that post came out and I gotta admit it sounded a bit more extreme than was intended. But it was NOT some Pro-America rant, puh-lease.

I was saying they both saw talent coming in, they both had preparation. I'm not saying both levels of prep were identical, both levels of competition were similar ... Rubio struggled against good competition though just like anyone would over there. He wasn't exactly torching the comp, wasn't without struggle ... then again, he wasn't looked at pre-teen as the player of today, but the player of tomorrow.

Please don't take my post and make it seem like I was taking a stab at someone that ISN'T from America, because that wasn't the case. And it's not appreciated.

And, yes, I can pull out some names of players that couldn't cut it here so they went elsewhere - even Spanish league play - and didn't exactly set the world on fire.

*And I wasn't speaking for all collegiate ball teams ... I didn't say Harvard was going to go over there and run with Barcelona.

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I simply said both players had it, never said it was on the same level. No two players, even from 'Merica, are going to see a mirrored experience. I wasn't making the argument for, or against, Rubio. I never said the Spanish League was awful. Never said Harvard could run with them, never said Lin's Harvard time compared. Never said I didn't appreciate people coming from other countries to play ball. Never said Rubio didn't have more of an edge. I never said the sky was green, so please stop acting like it.

[Altimus]

Re: Jeremy Lin

If he gets voted in with like 9PPG/5APG average, I'm sure he'll deny the invitation.

[ehh]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Are we really dogging the European basketball so much that we're saying College teams can beat the teams over there? Are you kidding me? Where do you think former college stars go if they can't (or aren't given a chance) make it to the NBA? They go to Europe and play ball there. Hell, Spain has some of the best players in the world aside from the U.S. Juan Carlos Navarro would decimate Collegiate athletes. Guess where he plays pro ball?

Man, I never what to ever read another post like that on here again that takes "America is better" to the extreme as you just did. Disgraceful.

The Spaniards would beat any US college team by 50, at least. Their fundamentals and IQ would put any college team to shame plus the fact that, ya know, they're more talented.

[PlusTheHarm]

Re: Jeremy Lin

I'm not discounting the level of talent and competition they see. Never said that. Like I said, I see how that came off and it wasn't intended to be some crazy, controversial statement and sure as **** wasn't some rant against someone from another country. My utmost and sincerest apologies if it really came off like that.

[DukeC]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Wait, huh? Alright, I see how that post came out and I gotta admit it sounded a bit more extreme than was intended. But it was NOT some Pro-America rant, puh-lease.

I was saying they both saw talent coming in, they both had preparation. I'm not saying both levels of prep were identical, both levels of competition were similar ... Rubio struggled against good competition though just like anyone would over there. He wasn't exactly torching the comp, wasn't without struggle ... then again, he wasn't looked at pre-teen as the player of today, but the player of tomorrow.

Please don't take my post and make it seem like I was taking a stab at someone that ISN'T from America, because that wasn't the case. And it's not appreciated.

And, yes, I can pull out some names of players that couldn't cut it here so they went elsewhere - even Spanish league play - and didn't exactly set the world on fire.

*And I wasn't speaking for all collegiate ball teams ... I didn't say Harvard was going to go over there and run with Barcelona.

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I simply said both players had it, never said it was on the same level. No two players, even from 'Merica, are going to see a mirrored experience. I wasn't making the argument for, or against, Rubio. I never said the Spanish League was awful. Never said Harvard could run with them, never said Lin's Harvard time compared. Never said I didn't appreciate people coming from other countries to play ball. Never said Rubio didn't have more of an edge. I never said the sky was green, so please stop acting like it.

I'm not discounting the level of talent and competition they see. Never said that. Like I said, I see how that came off and it wasn't intended to be some crazy, controversial statement and sure as **** wasn't some rant against someone from another country. My utmost and sincerest apologies if it really came off like that.

I know that (you didn't mean for how it sounded). But, the magnitude of such ignorance could not be ignored. Point blank, College teams do NOT stack up to pro teams. In ANY case. Just like the idea of a College Football team is capable of beating the worst NFL is laughable, equally laughable is the fact of any Premier College Hoops team taking on taking on any Pro team, much less Spain's.

On Kentucky you have maybe 4-5 players that could make the an NBA roster as either a backup or journeyman. Maybe an All Star or Role Player caliber player taking Anthony and MGK into account respectively. Pro teams all over the world are filled with former college stars. Including those on the bench. Everyone on the bench in the NBA was a college "star" or "All American" at one point and time. In Basketball, it's fundementals and smarts that set players apart at the Pro and Collegiate/Amatuer level. Where as in Football everyone is bigger, faster, and stronger than you are.

If anything Rubio was the most prepared of any of the rookies, but Irving is just better than he is.

[PlusTheHarm]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Yeah, I have to agree with that. Not that I think you could take any team and have them keep pace, not what I was suggesting, but I don't think it's that far fetched considering not every team is a powerhouse. Which was my point. Not every matchup was comparable to him going up against the likes of a CP or DW, but with that said I do think that his experience is about as legit as you can get. Invaluable time put in for a young kid and it shows.

I love hearing about players from these EU leagues coming over and making an impact, I'm all for that. But there is a reason you see guys not able to translate their game from there to here. It's not quite the same level of play top to bottom.

I get what the comparison with college FB and pro FB, but I think a comparison between the MLB and, say, a Japanese league, is more of an honest, fair comparison. They play some serious ball but a lot of these cats that come over struggle to convert, translate their game. I know, different sports and different mentalities, variables bleh

Either way, I'm all for young talent and I'm glad that Rubio, Irving and Lin have been able to show that they can play. Seriously bummed about Rubio going down like that, too. That's rough.

[wwharton]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Yeah, I have to agree with that. Not that I think you could take any team and have them keep pace, not what I was suggesting, but I don't think it's that far fetched considering not every team is a powerhouse. Which was my point. Not every matchup was comparable to him going up against the likes of a CP or DW, but with that said I do think that his experience is about as legit as you can get. Invaluable time put in for a young kid and it shows.

I love hearing about players from these EU leagues coming over and making an impact, I'm all for that. But there is a reason you see guys not able to translate their game from there to here. It's not quite the same level of play top to bottom.

I get what the comparison with college FB and pro FB, but I think a comparison between the MLB and, say, a Japanese league, is more of an honest, fair comparison. They play some serious ball but a lot of these cats that come over struggle to convert, translate their game. I know, different sports and different mentalities, variables bleh

Either way, I'm all for young talent and I'm glad that Rubio, Irving and Lin have been able to show that they can play. Seriously bummed about Rubio going down like that, too. That's rough.

lol, I still don't think you really get it. It's not just "different mentalities, variables, bleh" they are actually playing different games that are just similar and the same is true with basketball. But you're still looking at different levels. You're comparing random euro team to random NBA team. That's not the comparison to make here. It's euro team compared to college team... and no, college teams would not be winning any of those games. That's what he's saying.

Keeping it on topic, the point is Rubio's preparation for the NBA came from years of playing against more physically mature men with high basketball IQs and talent down the line than college teams. Irving spent that same time playing against high school teams and one year in college. Lin spent the time playing in the Ivy league on Harvard. Individual talent aside, Rubio had the best training to get prepared for NBA play.