NBA 2011-2012 MVP Thread

[st0rmb11]

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I'm not going to quote anyone, so I'll just address a couple of posts here..

First - Nash already stole 2 MVPs; no need to bring him up for another one.

Second - I look at the MVP as a "who is most important to their team". As I said earlier, I have a hard time putting Rose up there with Paul, LeBron, & Durant. The Bulls are what? 7-3? 8-3 with Rose? He's their best player, but it's clear that they are a great team. Hell, C.J. Watson & John Lucas stepped in and put up similar numbers to Rose. Unless he hits game winners every night for the next week or so, I can't put him in the top 5.

[BleacherBum2310]

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He's back in the convo.

I still have LBJ, Durant, Kobe, Love/CP3 ahead of him.

[1Rose]

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Yeah, conversation doesn't mean I think he's going to win it.

[Nathan_OS]

I'm not going to quote anyone, so I'll just address a couple of posts here..

First - Nash already stole 2 MVPs; no need to bring him up for another one.

Second - I look at the MVP as a "who is most important to their team". As I said earlier, I have a hard time putting Rose up there with Paul, LeBron, & Durant. The Bulls are what? 7-3? 8-3 with Rose? He's their best player, but it's clear that they are a great team. Hell, C.J. Watson & John Lucas stepped in and put up similar numbers to Rose. Unless he hits game winners every night for the next week or so, I can't put him in the top 5.

Lmao

He has to hit game winners to be considered? Lol

[st0rmb11]

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He's back in the convo.

I still have LBJ, Durant, Kobe, Love/CP3 ahead of him.

What do you guys think Love/The T-Wolves would have to do for Love to win it?

25.5 points and just under 14 boards on a WINNING Timberwolves team? Incredible. Those numbers are right at what Garnett's were the year he won it. (granted, Love isn't near the defensive force, and his team certainly won't win 58 games, or even the equivalent of 58 games in this schedule)

[st0rmb11]

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Lmao

He has to hit game winners to be considered? Lol

No. But, he has to be the reason they win. If they have a really good record without him, you can't argue that he is the reason they're winning. Last night, he won the game for them. Don't take what I said literally.

[King_B_Mack]

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I'm not going to quote anyone, so I'll just address a couple of posts here..

First - Nash already stole 2 MVPs; no need to bring him up for another one.

Second - I look at the MVP as a "who is most important to their team". As I said earlier, I have a hard time putting Rose up there with Paul, LeBron, & Durant. The Bulls are what? 7-3? 8-3 with Rose? He's their best player, but it's clear that they are a great team. Hell, C.J. Watson & John Lucas stepped in and put up similar numbers to Rose. Unless he hits game winners every night for the next week or so, I can't put him in the top 5.

Derrick is still the most important player on the Bulls team. I think they're a playoff team still without him, but it's eighth or seventh seed at best. The only two teams that aren't a playoff team without they're MVP candidate are the Thunder and Timberwolves. Maybe the Lakers as well actually, but Kobe shoots them out of far too many games to legitimately be an MVP IMO. The Miami Heat without LeBron James, can still represent the East in the Finals. The Miami Heat without Dwyane Wade, can still represent the East in the Finals. The Miami Heat without Chris Bosh can still represent the East in the Finals. So looking at things at a most important player to their team standpoint, Derrick is definitely ahead of LeBron James. The point of the statement though in the first place as pointed out, was Derrick has put his name back in the conversation.

[Scruffychicken]

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I think Love is deserving, but I don't see him getting much national recognition. I don't know what his +/- is, but if you watch their games, you can see how much he does for them. Dude is not only a rebound machine, but 9 times out of 10 he's getting the lose ball. His offensive basketball IQ is out of this world.

IF he isn't MVP caliber, can we give him The Most Improved, Most Improved Player award?


Honestly, I think Lebron is a sure shot for MVP this year. Say what you will about him, but he's an incredible player.

[Dice]

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As I said earlier, I have a hard time putting Rose up there with Paul, LeBron, & Durant. The Bulls are what? 7-3? 8-3 with Rose? He's their best player, but it's clear that they are a great team. Hell, C.J. Watson & John Lucas stepped in and put up similar numbers to Rose. Unless he hits game winners every night for the next week or so, I can't put him in the top 5.

They are actually 6-2 without Derrick Rose BUT please don't be fooled by that record. The Bulls beatup some pretty crummy teams during that stretch. The Bobcats, Cavs and Suns just to name a few. They lost to the Celtics and Nets during that stretch as well. The Celtics are good but ways from being contenders. And we all know about the Nets. Ugh!

Yes, any good team and survive without it's star player for a minor stretch and against mediocre competition. BUT let's say the Bulls loose Derrick Rose for either half or the entire season? That's the difference between the Bulls being a top seed in the East to being the 8th seed in the East.

I'm willing to bet you during those 8 games the Bulls missed Rose, you took out teams like the Bobcats and Cavs and replaced them with the Miami Heat or Thunder, you'd get a totally different record than you have now.

[Kashanova]

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They are actually 6-2 without Derrick Rose BUT please don't be fooled by that record. The Bulls beatup some pretty crummy teams during that stretch. The Bobcats, Cavs and Suns just to name a few. They lost to the Celtics and Nets during that stretch as well. The Celtics are good but ways from being contenders. And we all know about the Nets. Ugh!

Yes, any good team and survive without it's star player for a minor stretch and against mediocre competition. BUT let's say the Bulls loose Derrick Rose for either half or the entire season? That's the difference between the Bulls being a top seed in the East to being the 8th seed in the East.

I'm willing to bet you during those 8 games the Bulls missed Rose, you took out teams like the Bobcats and Cavs and replaced them with the Miami Heat or Thunder, you'd get a totally different record than you have now.

I'd still disagree agree with him being in the top 3, I think LBJ has this down pact, he's having one of the great all time seasons, he's being incredibly efficient and he's playing on both sides of the court.

[Nathan_OS]

No. But, he has to be the reason they win. If they have a really good record without him, you can't argue that he is the reason they're winning. Last night, he won the game for them. Don't take what I said literally.

He doesn't have to be the reason they win.

If that was the case, LeBron wouldn't even be mentioned in this thread.

I definitely don't think that the heat need LeBron.. To win.

[Sam Marlowe]

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With Wade being inconsistent both concerning his health and his play the Heat definitley have needed this type of year from LBJ to be contenders. Bosh has played very well in his own right but without LBJ I dont think the Heat would be above 4th or 5th best right now in the East the way this season has gone for them. On a different note I, think LBJ is playing the closest to what we saw from Jordan when he won the MVP and DPOY in the same season. Obviously LBJ's numbers arent as good (which is damn incredible considering how well he's playing) and I dont think he's having quite the impact Jordan did that year defensivley but I don't think there's been a player (wing) who's done it better on both sides in that Jordan year. Not in posistion to look at the numbers. If Im mistaken someone point it out.

[Sam Marlowe]

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*since that Jordan year.

[BleacherBum2310]

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What do you guys think Love/The T-Wolves would have to do for Love to win it?

25.5 points and just under 14 boards on a WINNING Timberwolves team? Incredible. Those numbers are right at what Garnett's were the year he won it. (granted, Love isn't near the defensive force, and his team certainly won't win 58 games, or even the equivalent of 58 games in this schedule)

No Idea. I'd have to say if the 'Wolves can get to the 5-6 Seed

I'd give him a shot then because it's remarkable if they were to get that, with the talent they have. He'd be deserving at least top 2 Consideration.

I just don't think it's possible with the year LBJ is having.

[Dice]

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I'd still disagree agree with him being in the top 3, I think LBJ has this down pact, he's having one of the great all time seasons, he's being incredibly efficient and he's playing on both sides of the court.

LeBron had better numbers than Rose last year.

As most have deduced, it's gonna come down to who's team has the best regular season record. I know the award hasn't always followed this format BUT in most times, this has been the case. So if the Bulls have the best regular season record, Derrick Rose wins his second straight award. If the Heat capture the best regular season, then LeBron wins it. If the Thunder ends up with the best record, Durant captures the award.