NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

[bigeastbumrush]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Cleveland is out as a third-team trade partner in a possible Orlando-Brooklyn deal for Dwight Howard, sources tell Y! Sports.

Get it done already!!!

[OSUFan_88]

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Oh thank God.

It seemed that our trade with the three was turning more and more into Orlando and Brooklyn dumping garbage onto the Cavs or Bobcats.

Good luck trying to make that deal work by yourselves, guys.

[phenom1990]

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I'm going to disagree.

Back in the 80s...it was more balanced and small market teams were just as exciting.

The Cavs were loaded. The Mavericks were tough. The Hawks were tough. Phoenix was tough. Portland was a tough out.

Yeah...the top teams tended to be a repeat of Boston, LAL, Philly, etc. But it was absolute hell getting to the Finals back then. Wasn't a cakewalk in the least. The games were absolutely enjoyable...at least from my memory. We just didn't have the constant access to the games as we do have now.

What is more balance? The 80s had over 75% of NBA fan-bases never play for the title. The 90s and 00s had a higher % of fan bases experience their team play for their championship. All I hear is that in the NBA it's the same teams over and over again competing for the titles now and that it was better back then... the 80s was very dominated by a handful of teams. The quality of play was probably better.

I looked at how many teams made Conference Finals appearances in each decade.

80s:
13 of 25 teams made the Conference Finals- 52%

90s:
13 of 29 teams made the Conference Finals-44.8%

00s:
19 of 30 teams made the Conference Finals- 63.3%

[ex carrabba fan]

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What's happening to Hump should happen to every other mid-level type caliber guy. It's not lowballing at all, it's just applying simple logic.

Hump deserves some money but not a multi year Asik type contract. None of those guys deserve that kind of money.

As far as the Dwight deal, now that it's becoming more apparent that Dwight needs to be traded before the season starts, more teams will get involved because the asking price will get lower and lower.. and also more assets and moving parts will be put on the table.

[Weeks]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
If Brooklyn and Orlando are to make a deal for Howard in near-term, it will likely be a trade between the two teams, sources tell Y! Sports.

[wwharton]

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He needs to sign with LA fitness and drop some LBs

He bulked up to be more of a true center. Had one of his best years at that weight too.

Ummm....isn't she from Detroit?

Anyway I agree with her premise which can be used either way. I'd take that stance too if I were the Magic. The two teams that he's likely going to end up with can only get him through a trade with us. If you're going to lowball me and try to force me into taking a ****ty deal just to get rid of Dwight, then screw it I'll take my chances with him going out on the open market and getting nothing out of it but 20 million off my cap and a likely top five draft pick. My team is going to suck when he's gone anyway, what do I care if we suck just a little bit less because of a trade as opposed to him walking.

That said I can still call they're bluff and revisit this near the trade deadline. If you really want him, make me a legit offer otherwise I'm content letting him walk and effectively meaning you guys never get him. If Denver just bent and gave Melo up at the first chance they got to get it over with, they'd have been screwed over and not gotten close to the haul they got.

If they just hang onto him they won't be getting a top 5 draft pick. They'll be flirting with the playoffs just like this year, but probably will just miss (that limbo area that no NBA team wants to be in). Plus we don't know how big of a deal this back things is. His on the court value could decrease if he comes out any less dominant. If anyone believes he took some possessions or games off before, that'll look even worse to suiters when he's coming off a back injury. Then there's the beef he had with the now fired coach and gm, and bigger beef with the recently resigned starting pg.

Orlando painted themselves in a corner here. I think many are looking at "the best center in the NBA" on the court should bring WAY more than what's being offered. But ignoring his injury, his burned bridges, his displayed immaturity, the moves the teams have recently made bc of this fiasco, and the position the team put themselves in not taking care of all of this when it was relatively quiet and his value was much higher.

People are also treating late 1st round draft picks like their 7th round picks in the NFL. If you only believe lottery picks are worth anything then most trades involving draft picks were rip offs... and a good number of players in the league right now are happy that GMs don't agree with you.

Finally, teams never get equal value in these type of trades. Go look at what Barkley was traded for when going from Philly to Pheonix... or from Pheonix to Houston. Who was the All Star in the recent Melo trade? Or the Deron Williams trade? The Nash and Gasol trades have been discussed to death (and btw, Marc Gasol and pieces is looking like a pretty fair trade for Pau if you ask me). Four 1st rounders and a couple of quality starters make these other trades look much worse.

[phenom1990]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
If Brooklyn and Orlando are to make a deal for Howard in near-term, it will likely be a trade between the two teams, sources tell Y! Sports.

If trading Dwight to Brooklyn means taking on Brook Lopez at a max level salary. I would need at least Turkoglu contract to be moved and some other things to happen to at least consider it.

[wwharton]

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Maybe she lives there now, cause she always talks about being from Detroit as well.

You and Pack are probably right, I just don't like the idea of Dwight's stupidity getting let off the hook and him getting what he wanted all along anyway. This idiot opted in, he's shown his *** out this entire time and put Orlando (the fans, not even talking about the team at this point) through hell and for him to get what he wanted anyway in the end leaves a sour taste. I wanna see his ******* scramble with his preferred destination off limits to him and a place I'm sure he would resign to as a backup plan also be off the table. At some point, people need to actually pay for being stupid in the NBA.

It'd be nice but it's just not going to happen. Any team willing to give him a shot will do it with the hopes of having what it takes to get him to sign long term. So you say you don't want him in Brooklyn? Maybe you'd like it to be the Lakers instead? Otherwise, good luck. Then we'd just have him going through the motions and continuing to talk out of his *** for a year on [insert team he doesn't want to play on] until we go through all of this again. Brooklyn really needs him to come in a trade so whatever the new team is would then have all these same rumors about them moving him instead of Orlando.

You should want him to end up in Brooklyn if you want all this crap to die.

[DieHardYankee26]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
If Brooklyn and Orlando are to make a deal for Howard in near-term, it will likely be a trade between the two teams, sources tell Y! Sports.

If Brooklyn can convince Orlando that Dwight is only worth Brook Lopez on a max contract, and a few high 20 something draft picks, then they deserve him.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
The Nets have been negotiating an extension with Brook Lopez and could ultimately complete the deal in the next 48 hours, sources say.

Nets moving on?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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As they should.

Personally, I'm good with either Brook or Duhwight.

[bigeastbumrush]

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What is more balance? The 80s had over 75% of NBA fan-bases never play for the title. The 90s and 00s had a higher % of fan bases experience their team play for their championship. All I hear is that in the NBA it's the same teams over and over again competing for the titles now and that it was better back then... the 80s was very dominated by a handful of teams. The quality of play was probably better.

I looked at how many teams made Conference Finals appearances in each decade.

80s:
13 of 25 teams made the Conference Finals- 52%

90s:
13 of 29 teams made the Conference Finals-44.8%

00s:
19 of 30 teams made the Conference Finals- 63.3%

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. In the 80s...it was over half of the teams that made the CFs (with less teams in the league at that time) but it wasn't more balanced?

And yes...my point was more along the lines of the quality of the games being much better. The 1st round of the playoffs meant much more because it was Best of 5. Much more pressure.

Don't want to take this thread OT though.

[BornBetter]

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Nets moving on?

I really doubt it. They probably had that leaked to light a fire under Orlando's ***.

[FloydNDLAL]

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Lol how come Orlando hasn't stated anything about this Dwight Howard Trade?

[bigeastbumrush]

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If Lopez signs an extension (which to me should take no time at all to complete as he wants to stay there and his salary is pretty much set as a RFA)...I think the Dwight to BK deal is dead in the water.

I don't think Orlando will be taking on any long-term deals and want to position themselves with cap space and picks heading into next summer.

Cue up the Dwight to LAL music.