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  • DukeC
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 5751

    #4921
    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
    I guess I just have issue with him calling Malone terrible in the playoffs. That's just not accurate.
    Below Average then?

    He definitely wasn't efficient, despite playing with one of the best PG's (Top 3) to ever play the game in John Stockton.

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    • DamnYanks2
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jun 2007
      • 20794

      #4922
      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

      Originally posted by Fiasco West
      Lin getting 5 million a year and then becomes a huge expiring...Why do people act like he getting the Max? It's 5 million for two years, last year 14 million expiring.

      Lamb has potential, but that's all it is at this point and Harden is 23. He could pan out...or he could be another Anthony Randolph, teams keep trading for him because he has 'potential'.

      Two protected first round picks. The Toronto pick is worth a lot more, the Dallas pick is again top 20 protected, that means it's not even a lotto pick until 2018.

      Also Houston can still offer the max next year so still has cap flex. I don't see how this was a bad move for Houston unless you think they should go full rebuild(tank) mode. Martin was gone any ways and Lamb is a guy with potential...Rockets have lots of guys with potential, pretty much their whole roster outside of Delfino.
      I never said it was a bad move, I just don't see it being a move that really improves Houston much. Houston has to build somewhere, but I'm just not feeling these moves.

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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #4923
        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

        Originally posted by DukeC
        Below Average then?

        He definitely wasn't efficient, despite playing with one of the best PG's (Top 3) to ever play the game in John Stockton.
        I don't really know to be honest, but if you think Malone's shooting dipped then you're gonna hate to see what Stockton shot in the playoffs compared to the regular season.

        Malone still scored like crazy and rebounded sufficiently in the playoffs while Stockton still assisted and stole like crazy in the playoffs.

        Way off topic with this crap about other HOFers' playoff performances anyway.

        To the guy with the Heat avatar.. Looking at Harden's skill set and the fact that he never ever dominated at any level, high school nor collegiality, it's not that unfair to say he'll never be a franchise guy. It's not some rocket science to figure out really. Just because "he's 23" doesn't mean squat. He's a hell of a player but he if he's the number one or even two guy on your team, it aint winning diddly.

        To the guy who said that getting Andrew Bynum will put this team on the Heat's level... you gotta be kidding me. Team is still a long way off from ever dreaming of getting to the finals.

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        • ProfessaPackMan
          Bamma
          • Mar 2008
          • 63852

          #4924
          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

          Originally posted by mkharsh33
          Having read this thread all the way through, there's something KEY to Harden's contract I haven't seen mentioned here: an added FIFTH year...

          Wojnarowski adds that the Rockets, unlike the Thunder, are able to give Harden a five-year maximum extension. Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, each team is allowed to designate one player to receive a five-year max extension, and the Thunder have already given one to Russell Westbrook.

          Durant's deal was grandfathered into the new CBA. The only players to sign the new FIFTH year deal under the new terms of the CBA are Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook. Houston IS going to give Harden the extra year, becoming only the 4th NBA player to receive such a deal.
          So he'll basically make that extra $6 Mil back up easily then, right?
          #RespectTheCulture

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          • Nukleopatra
            Banned
            • Oct 2009
            • 381

            #4925
            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            To the guy with the Heat avatar.. Looking at Harden's skill set and the fact that he never ever dominated at any level, high school nor collegiality, it's not that unfair to say he'll never be a franchise guy. It's not some rocket science to figure out really. Just because "he's 23" doesn't mean squat. He's a hell of a player but he if he's the number one or even two guy on your team, it aint winning diddly..
            Carmelo Anthony never won 'diddly.'
            Kevin Love never won 'diddly.'
            Derrick Rose never won 'diddly.'
            Blake Griffin never won 'diddly.'
            Chris Paul never won 'diddly.'
            Deron Williams never won 'diddly.'

            I guess a lot of teams should be reconsidering their decisions, since they can't seem to win 'diddly' with their current franchise players, not just Houston.

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            • Jukeman
              Showtime
              • Aug 2005
              • 10955

              #4926
              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
              Looking at Harden's skill set and the fact that he never ever dominated at any level, high school nor collegiality, it's not that unfair to say he'll never be a franchise guy.
              What is dominating at those levels in your view?





              -Juke

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              • DamnYanks2
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jun 2007
                • 20794

                #4927
                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                Originally posted by Nukleopatra
                Carmelo Anthony never won 'diddly.'
                Kevin Love never won 'diddly.'
                Derrick Rose never won 'diddly.'
                Blake Griffin never won 'diddly.'
                Chris Paul never won 'diddly.'
                Deron Williams never won 'diddly.'

                I guess a lot of teams should be reconsidering their decisions, since they can't seem to win 'diddly' with their current franchise players, not just Houston.
                Harden does not compare to any of those players.

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                • ex carrabba fan
                  I'll thank him for you
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 32744

                  #4928
                  Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                  Originally posted by Nukleopatra
                  Carmelo Anthony never won 'diddly.'
                  Kevin Love never won 'diddly.'
                  Derrick Rose never won 'diddly.'
                  Blake Griffin never won 'diddly.'
                  Chris Paul never won 'diddly.'
                  Deron Williams never won 'diddly.'

                  I guess a lot of teams should be reconsidering their decisions, since they can't seem to win 'diddly' with their current franchise players, not just Houston.
                  When you look at each of those guys' skill sets, you know you have a special player. All of those guys can be first or second options of title contending teams.

                  You list the best three point guards in the world. Melo is kind of meh, but I would much rather give him a max deal than Harden. Love and Griffin are the two highest touted young PF's in the league.
                  Originally posted by Jukeman
                  What is dominating at those levels in your view?
                  -Juke
                  Not James Harden. It's no set definition really. There are countless guys who have not dominated in high school or college who have carried teams on their backs in the pros. Harden will not be one of them. Like I said, when you look at his skill set, it's difficult to say he'll be a number one option. He's what Joe Johnson was when he was blooming, and I think that'll be Harden's ceiling. I'm not going to cry about which players do and don't deserve the max but I will tell you that Harden is not like the guys listed in the post above yours. Those guys deserve max money, Harden does not.

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                  • Nukleopatra
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 381

                    #4929
                    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                    Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                    Harden is not within a class of any of those players.
                    That's to be seen.

                    And your deciding factor of a true franchise player is 'winning diddly,' which makes James Harden in the same class of those players. I never said winning diddly made or breaks a players career.

                    If Lebron James never won a single title, he'd still be on my top 5 greatest of all-time.

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                    • skdyz
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 1

                      #4930
                      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                      I'm not going to say he is some sort of terrible player, I think he needs times to mature. Throwing the money they did to Harden after his sub-par performance late in the Finals... the dude just disappeared. That is all correctable, and OKC would've been the place to do it. He is now going to be a leaning post for Houston, who are essentially a hodge-podge collection of everyone's scrap players that no one could afford to keep around. The market is pretty weak across the board, and it's nice to see HOU making something happen, but man... I really am having a hard time figure out what they are doing here.
                      PSN: GritCity253

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                      • BJNT
                        Pro
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 531

                        #4931
                        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                        Originally posted by Fiasco West
                        I think it's just them rolling the dice on Harden.

                        The Rockets don't really agree on the whole "You need to get bad to get good." so with them they see it as improving their team.

                        It's ashame that the NBA punishes the Rockets for putting together competitive teams instead of throwing out a bunch of young players and knowing the result will be a terrible record...

                        But it is what it is. The Rockets could have easily went into a 'tank' mode but they just refuse to do it.

                        I'd rather them tank next year rather than this year. I don't see a superstar in this years draft. Now in 2014 you got Parker, The Harrison Twins, Randle, and there's this Canadian kid named Wiggins that's supposed to be a nice player.

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                        • Jukeman
                          Showtime
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 10955

                          #4932
                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          When you look at each of those guys' skill sets, you know you have a special player. All of those guys can be first or second options of title contending teams.

                          You list the best three point guards in the world. Melo is kind of meh, but I would much rather give him a max deal than Harden. Love and Griffin are the two highest touted young PF's in the league.

                          Not James Harden. It's no set definition really. There are countless guys who have not dominated in high school or college who have carried teams on their backs in the pros. Harden will not be one of them. Like I said, when you look at his skill set, it's difficult to say he'll be a number one option. He's what Joe Johnson was when he was blooming, and I think that'll be Harden's ceiling. I'm not going to cry about which players do and don't deserve the max but I will tell you that Harden is not like the guys listed in the post above yours. Those guys deserve max money, Harden does not.
                          Sorry but Harden had a damn good HS and collegiate career.

                          Maybe its your opinion that he wont lead a team and that remains to be seen.

                          Nonetheless I was just curious to see what your standards of "dominating" were.




                          -Juke
                          Last edited by Jukeman; 10-28-2012, 03:30 AM.

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                          • bigeastbumrush
                            My Momma's Son
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 19245

                            #4933
                            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                            OKC- horrible move IMO for the short term.

                            Harden was that glue guy. When things broke down, not only could he hit an outside shot but he could play Point and create his own shot and get to the line. KMart, Lamb, Sefalosha cannot do that. This is just gonna put more pressure on Durant and Bad Russ in that I shoot-you shoot offense they're running in OKC. If any thing they should've tried to get a pass first PG like Machado out of the deal.

                            Long term OKC will be fine. Lamb is like a TMac as far as his desire goes. He has all the tools but you question how bad does he want it. KMart...lol. Great outside shooter and that's it.

                            Houston. They don't care about winning. They just want to trick their fan base into thinking they're about that winning life so they get players to put butts in their seats. They'll challenge for the 8th seed if they're lucky. This makes them better in the short term and has potential to attract another FA 2 years from now.

                            Presti out thunk himself on this one.

                            And please stop with the "just $6M talk". No individual income tax in Texas. Harden just had a come up. He looks dumb but his agent is a beast.

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                            • Biagas
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 330

                              #4934
                              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                              Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                              OKC- horrible move IMO for the short term.

                              Harden was that glue guy. When things broke down, not only could he hit an outside shot but he could play Point and create his own shot and get to the line. KMart, Lamb, Sefalosha cannot do that. This is just gonna put more pressure on
                              Thats actually what he is great at

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                              • Biagas
                                Rookie
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 330

                                #4935
                                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                                Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                                OKC- horrible move IMO for the short term.

                                Harden was that glue guy. When things broke down, not only could he hit an outside shot but he could play Point and create his own shot and get to the line. KMart, Lamb, Sefalosha cannot do that. This is just gonna put more pressure on Durant and Bad Russ in that I shoot-you shoot offense they're running in OKC. If any thing they should've tried to get a pass first PG like Machado out of the deal.

                                Long term OKC will be fine. Lamb is like a TMac as far as his desire goes. He has all the tools but you question how bad does he want it. KMart...lol. Great outside shooter and that's it.

                                Houston. They don't care about winning. They just want to trick their fan base into thinking they're about that winning life so they get players to put butts in their seats. They'll challenge for the 8th seed if they're lucky. This makes them better in the short term and has potential to attract another FA 2 years from now.

                                Presti out thunk himself on this one.

                                And please stop with the "just $6M talk". No individual income tax in Texas. Harden just had a come up. He looks dumb but his agent is a beast.
                                Winning rings >>> less than 10 million after you already made 50 million. embarrasing. ginobili got a lot of respect in my book now

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